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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#187227: May 5th 2017 at 12:03:10 PM

[up][up]It's not a real party without Huckabee.

CW: That is his actual tweet.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#187228: May 5th 2017 at 12:05:29 PM

My position on the issue of Trump voters and why people would vote for him is that yes there were a lot of factors behind it, and none of them speak too favorably of the people involved in various ways, but I think the crux of what's being argued is that even if you didn't mean to or you didn't know any better you are still responsible for actions that have had terrible consequences.

We can also acknowledge that without necessarily saying that Trump voters are "evil", which isn't a word I would have used anyway since that's obviously loaded. Mostly I think they're just ignorant, have bad priorities, and in some cases yes were malicious even if they weren't conscious of it.

Interesting thing about the Montana governor (Steve Bullock) is that he's one of the politicians that people are speculating could be a candidate in 2020, but I don't think he's said anything about it either way at this point.

And yeah Capsase isn't wrong in saying that there are probably a lot of low-information voters that might be swayed if you put in enough effort. I mean, it would be one thing to simply SAY that, but Bullock did manage to get elected multiple times and is fairly popular in Montana, so I'm more inclined to trust that he's correct.

edited 5th May '17 12:08:57 PM by Draghinazzo

Zennistrad from The Multiverse Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#187229: May 5th 2017 at 12:54:34 PM

This is a good opinion piece by the Washington Post that does a great job of articulating what I've been saying for more than a year: namely, that the Democrats need to move further to the left if they hope to have any chance of winning future elections.

edited 5th May '17 1:02:08 PM by Zennistrad

FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#187230: May 5th 2017 at 12:57:38 PM

Apparently Trump thinks every other country in the world has better healthcare than the US: http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/332128-trump-everybody-has-better-healthcare-than-us

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#187231: May 5th 2017 at 12:58:41 PM

Yet again he's looking into one possible future.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#187232: May 5th 2017 at 1:00:23 PM

Maybe they need to move left to win elections, but I'm doubtful of the idea they need to move more leftward to govern effectively.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
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#187233: May 5th 2017 at 1:00:58 PM

[up][up]They will if the AHCA passes the Senate.

i'm tired, my friend
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#187234: May 5th 2017 at 1:03:50 PM

[up][up]Sounding more left seems to be the case. Or more accurately, more radio-friendly soundbites than now.

Because if Trump actually had something more substantial than "I will bring jobs back somehow", I certainly wasn't in the room for it.

Oh, and, um, yeah, because I see no way that won't backfire in West Virginia. The last thoughtpiece I read about people there basically had the unintended takeaway of "no matter how left Democrats in mining areas are, the WWC won't vote for them because it means admitting that people who aren't the WWC are people".

edited 5th May '17 1:07:23 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Raddishes Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#187235: May 5th 2017 at 1:04:02 PM

What's happening now? I got lost.

All I do remember that Trump did add acne to his healthcare bill, so if I'm right on how this bill works- reporting for acne loses your health insurance. But who doesn't have acne?

Besides: Does the bill goes against a point of the Amendment?

edited 5th May '17 1:07:06 PM by Raddishes

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#187236: May 5th 2017 at 1:07:10 PM

It's if you go to the doctor for acne. A pre-existing condition doesn't count if it isn't in your medical records somewhere.

Zennistrad from The Multiverse Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#187237: May 5th 2017 at 1:10:26 PM

Maybe they need to move left to win elections, but I'm doubtful of the idea they need to move more leftward to govern effectively.

I'm doubtful they could do any worse at it than they have previously. Even when they had a majority in congress, they couldn't even bother to do the right thing when it benefited them politically.

With a majority in congress, the Democrats could have, in no particular order:

  • Granted the District of Columbia statehood.
  • Implemented a single-payer healthcare system.
  • Rebuilt crumbling infrastructure.
  • Taken redistricting responsibilities for congressional districts out of lawmakers' hands

But they won't do this as long as their institutional culture remains the way it is because it prioritizes "moderation" and appeasing corporate donors over getting anything done.

edited 5th May '17 1:11:37 PM by Zennistrad

Raddishes Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#187238: May 5th 2017 at 1:13:03 PM

[up][up] So that makes hospitals practically non-existent if the bill come to pass?

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#187239: May 5th 2017 at 1:13:26 PM

[up][up] They'd have needed to either be willing to kill the filibuster entirely or have gotten a super-majority in order to do those things.

edited 5th May '17 1:13:41 PM by CaptainCapsase

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#187240: May 5th 2017 at 1:20:48 PM

[up][up][up]Do you get a membership card for spouting that line or something?

Although it does get seriously weird that suggesting that Trump voters have responsibility for policies enacted, regardless of intent, is apparently a major sin while outright claiming that moderates and (((corporate interests))) are inherently evil regardless of what they're actually doing is perfectly normal.

[up]There was that one time, then poor midterm turnouts and voter backlash from the ACA happened.

Speaking of that, there actually was a period where there was 60 votes for single payer.

Thanks, Lieberman.

edited 5th May '17 1:22:41 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#187241: May 5th 2017 at 1:23:57 PM

That reminds me, who actually wrote this bill? It's maligned by the general public and insurance companies alike, and could very well cost many of the guys who voted for it their seats, so, who was this for?

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#187242: May 5th 2017 at 1:25:11 PM

[up]Paul Ryan and the Freedom Caucus, I would guess.

edited 5th May '17 1:26:05 PM by megaeliz

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#187243: May 5th 2017 at 1:25:18 PM

[up][up][up] Once again, implicitly calling someone an anti-semite (without providing evidence for that assertion beyond inferred powers of thought reading) is not a particularly good way of having an intellectually honest debate.

edited 5th May '17 1:25:27 PM by CaptainCapsase

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#187244: May 5th 2017 at 1:26:15 PM

[up]x3 Nobody apparently. They didn't want an actual functioning bill; they wanted an excuse to repeal Obamacare at any cost. They weren't particularly concerned with actually having something to replace it with.

edited 5th May '17 1:26:49 PM by kkhohoho

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#187245: May 5th 2017 at 1:27:04 PM

[up][up]They chose to sound like an anti-Semite with the serial numbers filed off. Their choice.

edited 5th May '17 1:27:15 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Raddishes Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#187246: May 5th 2017 at 1:29:20 PM

Here's my biggest question: Why are they so deadset on removing the Obamacare bill?

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#187247: May 5th 2017 at 1:31:29 PM

[up]Why does anyone who doesn't actually give two twigs about their fellow man do anything?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#187248: May 5th 2017 at 1:31:54 PM

[up][up]Simple version: "OBAMA BAD!!!"

edited 5th May '17 1:32:05 PM by sgamer82

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#187249: May 5th 2017 at 1:32:32 PM

[up][up][up]

  • "Small government"
  • "Market failure"
  • "socialised medicine" (this is a really old one)

edited 5th May '17 1:32:41 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#187250: May 5th 2017 at 1:33:05 PM

[up][up][up][up]Delusion of grandeur, tax cut for the riches, and probably trying to erase a black guy's accomplishment.

edited 5th May '17 1:33:32 PM by RAlexa21th

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