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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Quite. I noted before that the Democrats need to be very careful about how much they do for Republican voters right now. There are some things we really should just let happen, because those people are never going to learn if they never see consequences for their actoins.
This is not one of those things. This will hurt Democrat voters every bit as much as Republicans. This needs to be shut down at all costs.
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Ultimately, it's their decision to take even if they are being fed bad data every step of the way. Denying any agency they have in a bid to absolve them of their actions isn't exactly a sustainable plan.
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It's not denying agency. I just dislike the implication that Democratic voters are more "mature" or "parental" or all of it's voters are somehow economic and social geniuses who understand the finer points of all of these things. It's just disingenuous and self-back-patting.
And that's without getting into any moral implications or disagreements.
edited 5th May '17 10:37:27 AM by LSBK
I would have agreed with you before the GOP won the biggest victory of their entire careers by abandoning common decency and unapologetically running on the, "Burn the witches, shoot the brown people, eat the poor!" platform.
We all assumed that the common voter would have the good sense to see through the nonsense of the Trump campaign and we were all horribly, horribly wrong. Hate won in 2016. There's no two ways about it.
edited 5th May '17 10:23:10 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Even the people voting against Hillary Clinton were still tacitly acknowledging that [Insert Propaganda Piece Here] was more important to them than the continued existence of entire groups of people.
"It's not that I hate you. It's just that I consider you being brutally murdered to be an acceptable outcome. It's not that I think people like you are bad; you're just unnecessary to the future I envision for this country."
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Honestly, people having skewed priorities is nothing new. And a major thing with people who were willing to vote for Trump seemed to be "he'll have people around to reign him in/wouldn't be able to do his crazy stuff anyway". Which also has issues, but it's where a lot of people where at.
Edit: The point being, while I'm not going to deny that fear-mongering and mothering weren't key points for Trump, claiming they were the main reason for the outcome is also an oversimplification, as humans of all stripes are wont to do.
I'm not saying any of these things are good it's just where we're at, and it has been for awhile.
edited 5th May '17 10:37:00 AM by LSBK
Heh, the only people having (very limited) success on that front are foreign leaders who are giving the POS POTUS a crash course in geopolitics. And since they're not around to babysit him 24-7, the lessons don't really stick.
edited 5th May '17 10:34:34 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedNot sure if I trust that, though.
"You can reply to this Message!"Just my two cents but the AHCA brouhaha just seems like a game of political hot potato. Or, better yet, they just pulled the pin on a grenade and they don't know when it's going to explode but they have to get it out of their hands as quick as possible!
Also, 3D Realms Party? Not one to advise you to listen to an asshole but here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkc_UqD48Ng
Seriously, did all long-term planning skills just go out the window?
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.What it boils down to is that a vote cast to avoid preventing a toxic agenda is fundamentally identical to a vote cast in favor of that agenda. As much as "lesser evil voting" gets bandied about in response to 2016, the fact remains that those people still decided that Hillary Clinton being President was worse than the proposed eradication of entire groups of people.
Hate won in 2016.
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edited 5th May '17 11:03:56 AM by CaptainCapsase
While I'm very much of the opinion that Republican voters need to face the consequences for Republican votes, in a don't-touch-fire-if-you-don't-want-to-be-burned sense, there's a moral imperative in the struggle for healthcare expansion that demands that even cradle-to-grave healthcare access for the demographics that support Trump be secured, and that's something Democrats shouldn't shy away from. It's difficult to maintain he moral high ground when dooming people to misery and death because of what the GOP did.
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Intent does not negate the actual outcomes of one's actions. Again, you are running awfully close to denying the agency of Trump voters.
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No, I'm not. I think they made a terrible choice, vehemently. And I was frequently frustrated with it and the people who were going "they're evil." I just understand that people have actual reasons beyond "I'm evil, or don't care about evil things" for voting (or not voting, in a lot of cases) the way I like, even if I still highly disagree with that and am willing to argue such.
And acting as if that's not the case isn't conductive to anything, it's just use to give yourself a moral high.
edited 5th May '17 11:22:51 AM by LSBK
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As far as agency goes, I suspect a great many of voters on both sides* simply don't know better than to simply mark the box with their team's label on the ballot, and have little to no understanding of the candidates platforms beyond the stock soundbites.
Those kinds of people are the ones the democratic governor of Montana was talking about in that earlier article; people who can fairly easily be swayed to your side if you bother to show up and put in the effort, and don't come across as condescending or self-righteous.
* Republicans are worse about this but there's a still significant gap in support for policies that democrats support when associated with the name of a Republican politician.
edited 5th May '17 11:38:16 AM by CaptainCapsase
The White House is holding a Cinco de Mayo party. But I thought Mexicans were all Bad Hombres!

edited 5th May '17 10:04:26 AM by Luigisan98
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