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#187201: May 5th 2017 at 10:03:11 AM

[up][up] And the swarm of protests and strikes and attacks and booing that will ensue against the GOP in the following months?

edited 5th May '17 10:04:26 AM by Luigisan98

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#187202: May 5th 2017 at 10:09:40 AM

Quite. I noted before that the Democrats need to be very careful about how much they do for Republican voters right now. There are some things we really should just let happen, because those people are never going to learn if they never see consequences for their actoins.

This is not one of those things. This will hurt Democrat voters every bit as much as Republicans. This needs to be shut down at all costs.

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#187203: May 5th 2017 at 10:12:26 AM

I still have to question the "their actions" part if they're being deeply lied to and mislead, but, eh.

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#187204: May 5th 2017 at 10:15:50 AM

[up]Ultimately, it's their decision to take even if they are being fed bad data every step of the way. Denying any agency they have in a bid to absolve them of their actions isn't exactly a sustainable plan.

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#187205: May 5th 2017 at 10:15:52 AM

[up][up][up]I can't think of many things that would hurt Republican voters that wouldn't also hurt Democratic voters.

On the other hand there are plenty of things that would hurt Democratic voters that wouldn't hurt Republican voters.

edited 5th May '17 10:16:00 AM by Mio

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#187206: May 5th 2017 at 10:18:21 AM

[up][up]It's not denying agency. I just dislike the implication that Democratic voters are more "mature" or "parental" or all of it's voters are somehow economic and social geniuses who understand the finer points of all of these things. It's just disingenuous and self-back-patting.

And that's without getting into any moral implications or disagreements.

edited 5th May '17 10:37:27 AM by LSBK

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#187207: May 5th 2017 at 10:22:25 AM

I would have agreed with you before the GOP won the biggest victory of their entire careers by abandoning common decency and unapologetically running on the, "Burn the witches, shoot the brown people, eat the poor!" platform.

We all assumed that the common voter would have the good sense to see through the nonsense of the Trump campaign and we were all horribly, horribly wrong. Hate won in 2016. There's no two ways about it.

edited 5th May '17 10:23:10 AM by TobiasDrake

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#187208: May 5th 2017 at 10:25:16 AM

Eh, not alone. Who his opponent was, for better or (much) worse had a lot to do with that. Even then she still got like 2 or 3 million more votes than him.

edited 5th May '17 10:26:25 AM by LSBK

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#187209: May 5th 2017 at 10:29:11 AM

Even the people voting against Hillary Clinton were still tacitly acknowledging that [Insert Propaganda Piece Here] was more important to them than the continued existence of entire groups of people.

"It's not that I hate you. It's just that I consider you being brutally murdered to be an acceptable outcome. It's not that I think people like you are bad; you're just unnecessary to the future I envision for this country."

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#187210: May 5th 2017 at 10:30:11 AM

[up] One of the commentators on Trevor Noah's Daily Show put it best: "I don't hate you. I just don't care about you."

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#187211: May 5th 2017 at 10:32:08 AM

[up][up]Honestly, people having skewed priorities is nothing new. And a major thing with people who were willing to vote for Trump seemed to be "he'll have people around to reign him in/wouldn't be able to do his crazy stuff anyway". Which also has issues, but it's where a lot of people where at.

Edit: The point being, while I'm not going to deny that fear-mongering and mothering weren't key points for Trump, claiming they were the main reason for the outcome is also an oversimplification, as humans of all stripes are wont to do.

I'm not saying any of these things are good it's just where we're at, and it has been for awhile.

edited 5th May '17 10:37:00 AM by LSBK

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#187212: May 5th 2017 at 10:33:55 AM

[up]

"he'll have people around to reign him in/wouldn't be able to do his crazy stuff anyway"

Heh, the only people having (very limited) success on that front are foreign leaders who are giving the POS POTUS a crash course in geopolitics. And since they're not around to babysit him 24-7, the lessons don't really stick.

edited 5th May '17 10:34:34 AM by M84

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#187213: May 5th 2017 at 10:45:56 AM

And nobody stopped to think about the fact they were voting for a leader hoping he'd have no leadership ability so he could be reigned in?

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#187215: May 5th 2017 at 10:47:51 AM

[up][up]"He'll do <whatever I want> but people will reign him in whenever he tries <...everything else>"

edited 5th May '17 10:48:22 AM by M84

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#187216: May 5th 2017 at 10:54:30 AM

Just my two cents but the AHCA brouhaha just seems like a game of political hot potato. Or, better yet, they just pulled the pin on a grenade and they don't know when it's going to explode but they have to get it out of their hands as quick as possible!

Also, 3D Realms Party? Not one to advise you to listen to an asshole but here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkc_UqD48Ng

Seriously, did all long-term planning skills just go out the window?

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#187217: May 5th 2017 at 10:55:36 AM

What it boils down to is that a vote cast to avoid preventing a toxic agenda is fundamentally identical to a vote cast in favor of that agenda. As much as "lesser evil voting" gets bandied about in response to 2016, the fact remains that those people still decided that Hillary Clinton being President was worse than the proposed eradication of entire groups of people.

Hate won in 2016.

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#187218: May 5th 2017 at 11:03:44 AM

@3of: Warner is a democrat, so of course he's saying that; you have to keep party morale up. The reality is, Trump getting impeached or not getting impeached is entirely partisan. He either needs to lose support from his own party or lose both chambers of congress to be impeached.

edited 5th May '17 11:03:56 AM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#187219: May 5th 2017 at 11:13:36 AM

[up][up]So people's actual thoughts and reasons just don't matter, because you disagree with them then? And is the same thing as voting for genocide?

That really takes away from what would otherwise would be something worth considering.

edited 5th May '17 11:16:29 AM by LSBK

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#187220: May 5th 2017 at 11:14:36 AM

While I'm very much of the opinion that Republican voters need to face the consequences for Republican votes, in a don't-touch-fire-if-you-don't-want-to-be-burned sense, there's a moral imperative in the struggle for healthcare expansion that demands that even cradle-to-grave healthcare access for the demographics that support Trump be secured, and that's something Democrats shouldn't shy away from. It's difficult to maintain he moral high ground when dooming people to misery and death because of what the GOP did.

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#187221: May 5th 2017 at 11:17:36 AM

[up][up]Intent does not negate the actual outcomes of one's actions. Again, you are running awfully close to denying the agency of Trump voters.

The White House has fired its chief usher, Angella Reid, the first woman and second African American to hold the position.

Despite the unusual title, the chief usher oversees all activities in the White House residence and works as general manager of the building, handling everything from the large staff of butlers, maids, chefs, florists and electricians to fiscal, administrative and personal duties.

The chief usher also works closely with the first family, including providing guidance on the furnishings, art and decor.

Reid, who previously worked for the Ritz-Carlton hotel group, joined the White House in 2011 under President Barack Obama.

She replaced the first African American chief usher, Adm. Stephen W. Rochon, when he left to take a job at the Department of Homeland Security.

Douglas Brinkley, a presidential historian and professor of history at Rice University, said that it is highly unusual for an administration to fire its chief usher, especially without providing any explanation. “If there is a very compelling reason for the dismissal, the White House needs to tell the public” he said. “Otherwise it comes off as cruel.”

White House officials provided no further explanation for Reid’s abrupt dismissal.

Sudden dismissals from the White House’s permanent staff are rare. The last one that people interviewed for this story recall was in 1993, when the Clintons fired an assistant usher who had a friendly phone conversation with Barbara Bush that was thought to be inappropriate.

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#187222: May 5th 2017 at 11:21:06 AM

[up]No, I'm not. I think they made a terrible choice, vehemently. And I was frequently frustrated with it and the people who were going "they're evil." I just understand that people have actual reasons beyond "I'm evil, or don't care about evil things" for voting (or not voting, in a lot of cases) the way I like, even if I still highly disagree with that and am willing to argue such.

And acting as if that's not the case isn't conductive to anything, it's just use to give yourself a moral high.

edited 5th May '17 11:22:51 AM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#187223: May 5th 2017 at 11:32:27 AM

[up][up] As far as agency goes, I suspect a great many of voters on both sides* simply don't know better than to simply mark the box with their team's label on the ballot, and have little to no understanding of the candidates platforms beyond the stock soundbites.

Those kinds of people are the ones the democratic governor of Montana was talking about in that earlier article; people who can fairly easily be swayed to your side if you bother to show up and put in the effort, and don't come across as condescending or self-righteous.

* Republicans are worse about this but there's a still significant gap in support for policies that democrats support when associated with the name of a Republican politician.

edited 5th May '17 11:38:16 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#187224: May 5th 2017 at 11:50:20 AM

Mark Warner is my senator, I pray he's right.

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