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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#187176: May 5th 2017 at 8:47:21 AM

No doubt at some point he told nonwhite voters to "stop complaining about their problems" or something and was decried as racist, thus "proving" to him that he is a member of a marginalized group. At least that's usually been my experienced with the racist and sexist elements on the left.

First they convince themselves that they are such radicals that nobody could ever be more enlightened than they are. Then they say something decidedly unenlightened. Then they get called on it. And since they have, as previously noted, persuaded themselves that everything they say is at the vanguard of the progressive revolution, they decide that there's nothing wrong with what they said and that the minorities are standing in the way of "progress".

Frequently they then coopt the language of fighting bigotry to demonstrate that programs meant to aid various minorities are in fact discrimination against white people, or evidence of the system being rigged. I've seen it with everyone from friends online, to my ostensibly liberal father-in-law who thinks Reagan was Satan but also likes to monologue about how Native Americans "have more rights than white people".

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#187177: May 5th 2017 at 8:48:44 AM

Roland Martin laying down the truth.

New Survey coming this weekend!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#187178: May 5th 2017 at 8:49:44 AM

[up][up]

but also likes to monologue about how Native Americans "have more rights than white people".

...What. Seriously, what?!

edited 5th May '17 8:49:54 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#187179: May 5th 2017 at 8:52:10 AM

Here's the Sacramento Bee on it.

Men and Women of color only hold 23 % of elected offices despite making up 60 % of my state's population.

White men, in contrast, are 19 % of the population and hold 55 % of elected offices.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#187180: May 5th 2017 at 8:52:14 AM

[up][up]Yep. Cause they have hunting rights out of season and he doesn't. He doesn't even hunt but, you know, it's something they can do that he can't so obviously white people are being denied equal treatment.

Unsurprisingly he and my sisters-in-law have made some fairly unenlightened comments about black people "playing the race card" as well, and about how the education system needs to stop "guilting white people" over what we did to the natives.

[up]What a shocker—he's full of shit.

edited 5th May '17 8:54:13 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#187181: May 5th 2017 at 8:53:44 AM

Funny that dude is claiming that "old white men" are not welcome in San Fran, considering that there is lots of complaints about racist gentrification in SF out there.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#187182: May 5th 2017 at 9:03:45 AM

All of California's GOP House members voted for the AHCA bill. All 14 of them.

Seven of the 14 Republicans in California’s delegation represent districts that picked Hillary Clinton for president in November, and Democrats have already announced they will focus on winning those seats.

Democrats are expected to lambaste their Republican colleagues in the 2018 midterm election for supporting the bill, just as Republicans did to win a wave of seats after the Affordable Care Act passed

Welp, half of them are gone at least.

California's going to turn even bluer.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#187183: May 5th 2017 at 9:05:19 AM

[up] Holy shit.

I always dreamt of a day where California had ZERO GOP presence. Just might get it.

2018 is going to be an absolute bloodbath.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#187184: May 5th 2017 at 9:06:54 AM

There's some insane irony in the fact that the 2010 blue->red flip happened because people were outraged about Obamacare passing, and it's very likely that the 2018 red->blue flip will happen because people are outraged about it being taken away.

That is, if this monstrosity actually passes Congress.

edited 5th May '17 9:07:08 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#187185: May 5th 2017 at 9:09:36 AM

[New York Times] Opinion piece from Montana Governor (D) Steve Bullock: "How Democrats Can Win in the West". He gives a very different POV from that of the thread regarding "middle america" so I believe there's a point in reading what he says.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#187186: May 5th 2017 at 9:10:29 AM

[up]x4 If you guys can get rid of Devin Nunes, I'd be happy enough.

If you got rid of every last Republican Congressman in California, that would be over half of what is needed to turn the House Blue (if it really is 14 Republicans in California; they only need 25 to flip it).

edited 5th May '17 9:11:01 AM by DingoWalley1

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#187187: May 5th 2017 at 9:17:21 AM

California is not going to get zero GOP presence anywhere soon. There are plenty of rural areas which feel ignored by the rest of the state, specially in the northeast.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#187188: May 5th 2017 at 9:18:51 AM

My federal rep is a Democrat by my state assembly rep is a Republican-the only such one in the Bay Area, actually. I'll be able to vote come the next election, so we'll see what happens there. I'd need to see her platform vs her opponent's, of course.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#187189: May 5th 2017 at 9:21:05 AM

Proof these people had absolutely no idea what they were voting for, and just wanted to pass something.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/health-reform-implementation/332057-gop-rep-unaware-of-health-bills-impact-on-his?amp

And a nonpartisian electoral analysis organization says that the GOP vote to repeal and replace Obama Care hurts the reelection chances of a number of House Republicans next year. They may have just committed political suicide.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/332062-cook-report-weakens-forecast-for-20-gop-districts-after?amp

edited 5th May '17 9:27:27 AM by megaeliz

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#187190: May 5th 2017 at 9:27:17 AM

Bullock's advice is essentially to reach out to people who wouldn't ordinarily vote Democrat and try to make it personal and understand them. It's not exactly just a platitude coming from him either because he has pretty liberal positions on most things, and in spite of this has won multiple times in a state that mostly voted for Trump.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#187191: May 5th 2017 at 9:29:03 AM

[up][up]It'll be even worse for them if it actually passes the Senate.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#187192: May 5th 2017 at 9:30:57 AM

[up][up][up] Does that makes well-meaning yet ill-intention in their actions, just plain stupid, or just vile spite?,

edited 5th May '17 9:31:17 AM by Luigisan98

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#187193: May 5th 2017 at 9:31:54 AM

[up]maybe just really desperate

[up][up][up] actually persuasion, and taking the time to listen to people who may disagreee with you on some issues, is one of the most important aspects of democracy building. In fact, it's so important, not having one in a campaign is often considered malpractice.

https://www.resistanceschool.com/summary-session-two/

edited 5th May '17 10:25:59 AM by megaeliz

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#187194: May 5th 2017 at 9:35:06 AM

Mad Skillz already said it and had numbers to prove it, but I wa also going to say this guy is full of it when you look at the fact that more than half our Congressmen are old white guys.

And our governor is a really old white guy.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#187195: May 5th 2017 at 9:42:26 AM

Holy shit. I always dreamt of a day where California had ZERO GOP presence. Just might get it. 2018 is going to be an absolute bloodbath.

You know, Fox, I notice you tend to switch between really hardcore cynicism, and then to dangerous overconfidence fairly quickly. That might be something to keep in mind, just in cases things don't go he best possible way.

[up]That guy and this discussion reminds of a conversation from American Dad: "Wasn't it great when white men had all of the power, instead of just most of the power?" "Yeah, America was it it's best when white men had all of the power instead of most of the power!" and then it devolved into a tirade about the country being filled with wussies and foreigner-lovers and such.

edited 5th May '17 9:45:07 AM by LSBK

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#187196: May 5th 2017 at 9:44:06 AM

It's kind of paradoxical. We want good things for Americans because we're committed to minimizing preventable suffering. This means not passing AHCA. But we also want rational politics, which might mean allowing it to pass so the people who voted Republican can see just how awful that choice was.

If I had an answer to this paradox, I'd be running for office, not talking about it on a forum.

edited 5th May '17 9:45:09 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#187197: May 5th 2017 at 9:47:38 AM

There are ways to learn that jumping into a boiling pot hurts that don't imply jumping into boiling pots, yanno

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#187198: May 5th 2017 at 9:48:54 AM

[up][up]More of a "chickens coming home to roost" moment. Democrats have spent the last 37 years insulating and shielding Republican voters from the consequences of their actions, metaphorically shooting the chickens during the home stretch, with those voters learning nothing from the experience besides 'I voted Republican, and things were not nearly as bad as the Democrats said they would be'.

Letting this particular chicken come home to roost is unconscionable, so that would be a no go, and leaves you reminiscing about all the missed opportunities of leaving almost exclusively Republican voters out to twist in the wind for their actions without serious long term consequences-coal and retraining spring to mind.

edited 5th May '17 9:49:28 AM by ViperMagnum357

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#187199: May 5th 2017 at 9:58:50 AM

Allowing this thing to pass if there's any way to stop it is a no go — partly because this would screw over everyone, not just Republican voters.

That said, if it passes despite all efforts to stop it...I see no problem with making absolutely certain that people know the GOP is responsible for the millions who are going to suffer and die because of it.

edited 5th May '17 10:00:01 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#187200: May 5th 2017 at 10:03:06 AM

[up] exactly

[down] even if it doesn't pass that will probably happen, I'm sure that there will be no shortage ammunition either way.

edited 5th May '17 10:05:57 AM by megaeliz


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