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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#187151: May 5th 2017 at 8:03:27 AM

[up] they may ignore that rule to rush the bill through.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#187152: May 5th 2017 at 8:03:41 AM

It was John Cornyn. I don't know why I said Comey. [lol]

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#187153: May 5th 2017 at 8:03:53 AM

They can only pass it through reconciliation if it's scored as revenue-neutral or -positive. I wonder if that'll happen. If it isn't, they have to use normal procedure, which will mean the Democrats will filibuster it.

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#187154: May 5th 2017 at 8:05:21 AM

Assuming that Republican Senators will all be OK with it, of course.

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#187155: May 5th 2017 at 8:08:09 AM

I wonder if the in-GOP opposition is hard enough and they try to ram it through anyway...any chance of a Senator flipping party?

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#187156: May 5th 2017 at 8:10:13 AM

No, because they wouldn't have the numbers to pass it in the first place.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#187157: May 5th 2017 at 8:10:39 AM

On the woman who laughed at Sessions. I actually think the significant part of the article is this comment by three jurors on why they felt she was found guilty of anything at all:

The jurors indicated they felt they had to convict Fairooz because of the way the laws are written, with yet another juror describing them as “so broad.”

At least three jurors said it was fair to say they felt forced into convicting her. “There’s almost no way that you can find them not guilty,” one said.

“There’s not a lot of wiggle room,” said the jury foreperson.

It sounds like she got slapped with a very badly written law.

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#187158: May 5th 2017 at 8:11:37 AM

Republicans have 52 votes in the Senate. That means at least 2 would have to defect for the bill to be unable to pass in the reconciliation process. I'm not sure whether Mike Pence gets a tiebreaker vote in reconciliation — if so, then 3 Republicans have to defect.

If they cannot push it through reconciliation, then it's dead in the water, so this is their only chance.

edited 5th May '17 8:12:23 AM by Fighteer

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#187159: May 5th 2017 at 8:14:58 AM

But why vote on this one when they didn't vote on the last one? By all accounts this one is significantly worse.

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#187160: May 5th 2017 at 8:16:51 AM

So what exactly is happening with the bill now? I got lost.

edited 5th May '17 8:17:00 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
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#187161: May 5th 2017 at 8:18:34 AM

Tie breakers apply to all kind of votes, but since nobody of importance has discussed sidestepping the procedure question I referenced above so far, a vote by the Senate will wait for the CBO report.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#187162: May 5th 2017 at 8:19:02 AM

[up][up][up]For some of them it being worse is the good part. For others, they only have so much resistance to the party apparatus in them.

edited 5th May '17 8:19:17 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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#187163: May 5th 2017 at 8:19:05 AM

@Kostya Because Trump got to throw a party. Bread and Circus.

@Garcon The Bill goes up to the Senate where they have to pass it, with conditions for passing it still uncertain at this point (If we're lucky the Dems can fillibuster it and its dead.)

edited 5th May '17 8:19:48 AM by 3of4

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#187164: May 5th 2017 at 8:19:41 AM

@Kostya: It failed to pass the House last time, so there was nothing for the Senate to do. Here's the nutshell of this:

  • Republicans desperately want to pass "repeal and replace" on Obamacare. They voted on it some ridiculous number of times during the Obama administration, knowing that he'd veto it.
  • Now that they're in control, they have to deliver something.
  • Their AHCA proposals are uniformly catastrophic for insurance markets, kicking 20 million or more people off of insurance and delivering huge tax breaks to the wealthy.
  • The main reason why the first attempt at AHCA failed in the House was the Freedom Caucus (the arch-right-wing nutballs) insisting that the coverage requirement for pre-existing conditions be removed.

So, they rewrote it to cater to those demands so that they could get enough votes. This, of course, made the bill even worse, but it must be remembered that they do not care about that at all. This is an exercise in pure ideology with zero concern for the impacts on real people.

edited 5th May '17 8:19:58 AM by Fighteer

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#187165: May 5th 2017 at 8:24:23 AM

I understand why it couldn't pass the House the first time but I thought the Senate was also a question mark because it would kick people off of their plans. This new bill will be even worse so those same senators should still be against it.

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#187166: May 5th 2017 at 8:26:24 AM

The court decision is welcome news. Albeit, registration in the sixth has been increasing steadily rather than in a boom.

But there's also: Ossoff takes aim at disgruntled Republicans in Georgia’s 6th

“I’ve been reaching out to voters across the political spectrum from the beginning of this campaign,” Ossoff said. “Voters in the 6th District are interested in leadership and representation that’s focused less on political party and more on getting things done. And cutting waste is simply not a partisan issue.”

Handel’s campaign dismisses the efforts to win over Republicans, who have long dominated the suburban Atlanta district. She has worked to consolidate the GOP base and was feted Tuesday at a fundraiser with U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan — days after she appeared with President Donald Trump at a stop in Atlanta.

“This is a Republican congressional district. That’s why you don’t see pictures of him at his fundraiser with (U.S. House Democratic leader) Nancy Pelosi,” Handel spokesman Charlie Harper said. “He’s being funded by liberal groups to flood Georgia with highly scripted, poll-tested talking points designed to make Republican voters forget who he’ll be working for if he gets to D.C.”

It’s a battle that could determine the June 20 race. Ossoff has tried to expand the electorate by targeting left-leaning voters who rarely cast ballots in the special election. But his campaign has also aimed for Republicans who are uneasy with Trump.

It could be paying off: Analysts estimate between 10 percent and 20 percent of Republicans voted for Ossoff in the April contest. He likely needs to repeat that performance — or come close — to eke out a victory against Handel next month.

Democrats had some backup on Wednesday from Kander, a former Missouri secretary of state who narrowly lost a challenge against Republican U.S. Sen. Roy Blunt in November. Kander now leads the Let America Vote advocacy that targets voter suppression and gerrymandering.

“He’s prioritizing local economic development and local issues,” Kander said. “People don’t want just another person who will go out and scream about what’s going on in the national level. They want someone who is going to stay focused on the people back home. And that’s exactly what he’s doing.”

edited 5th May '17 8:27:46 AM by CenturyEye

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Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#187167: May 5th 2017 at 8:27:32 AM

@Kostya: they didn't hold a vote last time because they didn't have the votes in the House because the Tea Party was upset that it didn't punish poor people enough. Now that it's worse, they're appeased.

Edit:[nja] by Fighteer

edited 5th May '17 8:39:47 AM by Balmung

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#187168: May 5th 2017 at 8:33:31 AM

From the San Francisco Examiner: Pelosi's primary challenger complains that old white guys are not welcome in SF politics. Really not much more to say about it than that—he apparently likes to whine on Twitter about the lack of "an old white guy's club" among the Democrats, and about how white men have been marginalized in California. Coincidentally, he also thinks the party should move away from "identity politics".

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#187169: May 5th 2017 at 8:35:49 AM

[up][up][up] Ossoff better not suffer from Clinton Syndrome: Focusing so much on attracting Political Opponents that they forget to get their Base to like them.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#187170: May 5th 2017 at 8:38:45 AM

[up][up]That stupid bastard Jaffe doesn't seem to get that what he said and posted is actually pretty damn racist and sexist.

edited 5th May '17 8:39:31 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#187171: May 5th 2017 at 8:40:50 AM

Eeeeh, I'm good sticking with Pelosi after all.

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#187172: May 5th 2017 at 8:40:54 AM

[up][up][up][up]The current Administration is almost exclusively old white guys, what more do these people want?

edited 5th May '17 8:41:01 AM by PhysicalStamina

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#187173: May 5th 2017 at 8:41:12 AM

[up][up][up]Can't say that's surprising at this point. From what I'm reading on him, he's essentially Sanders if everything the Enough_Sanders_Spam thread said about Sanders were the unvarnished truth. Here's hoping Pelosi crushes him.

edited 5th May '17 8:42:17 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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Oh, bother.
#187174: May 5th 2017 at 8:41:33 AM

[up][up] Anything less than 100% isn't good enough for people like him.

edited 5th May '17 8:41:40 AM by M84

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Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#187175: May 5th 2017 at 8:43:09 AM

@Physical Stamina: Conservative Justice is what they want. Where the only ones in power are old white guys, or failing that the minority in power agrees with them on everything and or/is crazy.

Edit: Forgot the @ symbol.

edited 5th May '17 8:43:33 AM by Wildcard


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