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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#187076: May 4th 2017 at 7:10:44 PM

Of course, that sometimes has the opposite effect. When my brother came out as Gay my father went off the deep end and became a raving lunatic who talks with ghosts and supports dictatorships. Sometimes "something personal" only somehow reinforces one's believes rather than change them.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#187077: May 4th 2017 at 7:11:45 PM

The opposite can happen though, with an incredibly conservative family becoming even more firmly entrenched in their beliefs once someone close comes out of the closet, and they kick him out and demonize him.

Like that one time people thought Eragon was just a fad and then the movie came out and it cemented its suckage in popular opinion.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#187078: May 4th 2017 at 7:12:19 PM

There was a cracked article posted some time ago talking about how what changes a lot of people's minds isn't actually PARTICIPATING IN debates but just reading them and seeing evidence and arguments being presented over a long period of time
I want to believe this, really I do but is there any actual data/studies on this? Because I am not convinced that many Republicans can be saved by this method, they're just so irrational I just can't imagine any kind of evidence or arguments getting through to them.

edited 4th May '17 7:12:44 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#187079: May 4th 2017 at 7:13:47 PM

[up]TBF, if they're willing to look up this information in the first place, that's probably a good sign.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#187080: May 4th 2017 at 7:14:23 PM

Speaking for myself, the thing that's changed my mind most swiftly in the past is seeing somebody agree with me in a shitty way. It prompts me to go 'whoa now, let's not go that far,' or 'that's not the reason I think that' and continuing the discussion from there forces me to argue the other side, and thus reconsider my stances.

Though that's not exactly, y'know, useful advice that can be applied to this situation. Changing somebody's mind by arguing against them is really hard.

[up],[up][up]That's it exactly, though- the problem with a lot of them is that they simply haven't been exposed to the other side's viewpoint enough.

edited 4th May '17 7:15:19 PM by Gilphon

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#187081: May 4th 2017 at 7:15:12 PM

[up][up]Oh absolutely, but doesn't that self-select against most of them? Those that are hopeless won't search for it and those that were already wavering will find it.

edited 4th May '17 7:15:22 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#187082: May 4th 2017 at 7:17:02 PM

There's no real data on it as far as I know, it was just a bunch of anecdotes but it did make a lot of sense to me.

I really don't think you can say all Republicans are fanatical believers, some of them do so mostly out of habit so once they see something different that might make more sense or seems more humane then they reconsider things. Not everyone has super strong political beliefs.

Some people are never gonna change their minds, no matter what, but that goes without saying.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#187083: May 4th 2017 at 7:19:48 PM

[up]

I really don't think you can say all Republicans are fanatical believers, some of them do so mostly out of habit so once they see something different that might make more sense or seems more humane then they reconsider things.

Yeah, that was more or less me when I was younger.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#187084: May 4th 2017 at 7:21:52 PM

There's no real data on it as far as I know, it was just a bunch of anecdotes but it did make a lot of sense to me.
I suppose that's fair.

I really don't think you can say all Republicans are fanatical believers, some of them do so mostly out of habit so once they see something different that might make more sense or seems more humane then they reconsider things. Not everyone has super strong political beliefs.
Really? Because this IMO is evidence of a certain fanaticism amongst the GOP base, sure not every Republican is fanatical but enough of them are that I don't think reason or evidence will work.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#187085: May 4th 2017 at 7:28:46 PM

...Is it still fine to have hope of change for some of these people?

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#187086: May 4th 2017 at 7:29:16 PM

Hope springs eternal.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#187087: May 4th 2017 at 7:30:12 PM

[up][up]If you want to, I know these people and I have no hope for them.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#187088: May 4th 2017 at 7:31:51 PM

...Is it still fine to have hope of change for some of these people?

Hope, yes. Expectation, no probably not

edited 4th May '17 7:32:50 PM by sgamer82

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#187089: May 4th 2017 at 7:32:13 PM

I mean either way it's not like this stuff happens over night. Wide scale change would still take years or decades.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#187090: May 4th 2017 at 7:34:00 PM

[up][up]I certainly won't be holding my breath.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#187091: May 4th 2017 at 7:36:39 PM

Seasonal affective disorder? I know someone who has that. It mostly just makes her feel like crap when it's dark out in the winter. She has a sun-lamp in her room that helps her a lot with it. It's not exactly a medication-heavy ailment. (At least for her, I don't know what it's like for other people.)

I have family members with SAD so I can give you a bit of a run down.

Light therapy is the most common approach to handling SAD, especially if it's a mild version. However, most decent light boxes are prohibitively expensive, even for people on decent salaries. The few affordable ones on the market aren't usually ideal (there are one or two exceptions). So, who is going to pay for an effective light box if the sufferer can't afford one out of their own pocket?

Other treatment, if it's needed, can include any of the following: anti-depressants, Vitamin D supplements (and a quirk of Vitamin D deficiency is that you may often require calcium management and DEXA scans), access to counselling services, potentially access to nutritional/dietician services, etc.

Secondary conditions that can develop as a result of having SAD (and which can feedback on the SAD to make it worse in a vicious cycle):

Depression, anxiety, stress, insomnia, chronic fatigue syndrome, etc.

SAD and its secondary effects can actually start to mount up in the medication department.

edited 4th May '17 7:39:02 PM by Wyldchyld

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#187092: May 4th 2017 at 7:37:00 PM

[up][up][up] I see.

But still, it may not matter how much years it can take but the end result is the ultimate pay off, because doing that and achieving its what makes Humanity something of a blessed creation and at the time a rough burden to us.

edited 4th May '17 7:37:41 PM by Luigisan98

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#187094: May 4th 2017 at 7:53:45 PM

[up]Heard about that, it would be so delicious if voting for their farcical healthcare bill ended their careers.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#187095: May 4th 2017 at 7:56:47 PM

I feel positive that the Democrats will get more then 25 Seats in the House come November 2018. They might get one of those in the Georgia Special Election.

We just need to vote Democrat. All of us, and as many of our friends and family as we can.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#187096: May 4th 2017 at 7:57:44 PM

[up]I'll be voting but I'm not going to be expect anything.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#187097: May 4th 2017 at 8:00:35 PM

I'll be voting too...but since I'm registered in California in a blue district...

Well, it's not like that kept me from voting in the general election last year.

edited 4th May '17 8:01:00 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#187098: May 4th 2017 at 8:02:06 PM

If they lose their job, what happens to their health care?

Do not obey in advance.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#187099: May 4th 2017 at 8:02:54 PM

[up]Then they'd better hope the Senate kills the AHCA then.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#187100: May 4th 2017 at 8:03:31 PM

Presumably they're all wealthy enough they can afford whatever their healthcare will cost.


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