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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#187026: May 4th 2017 at 4:47:43 PM

[up][up]I wouldn't be so sure. I see two options:

1. The Senate heavily modifies/effectively rejects the bill, allowing Republicans to play the role of "responsible" statesmen.

2. Republicans eliminate the filibuster in its entirety, and pass it.

Considering Republicans are inches away from obtaining everything they've ever wanted, I know which one I'm betting on.

edited 4th May '17 4:48:00 PM by Eschaton

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#187027: May 4th 2017 at 4:51:09 PM

Wait.

So.

Did that monstrosity pass?

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#187028: May 4th 2017 at 4:53:02 PM

The House, yes. Without the exemption for Congress.

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#187029: May 4th 2017 at 4:54:30 PM

Almost. It passed House and is now being reviewed by the Senate. If the Senate approves it, it goes to the President to sign.

If Trump is murdered overnight and replaced by a Skrull imposter who refuses to sign it because even monstrous alien warlords have standards, then it returns to the House to see if they can raise enough support to overturn Presidential Veto. That's not going to happen, of course, so the only chance of stopping it now is if Mitch McConnell recognizes the importance of the filibuster and isn't willing to fire the nuclear option.

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ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#187030: May 4th 2017 at 4:55:35 PM

[up][up]From what I read, the exemption is still in effect-Congressmen get to keep Obamacare while the rest of us get to wither and die under the AHCA.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#187031: May 4th 2017 at 5:03:04 PM

[up]x4 here's just a few of the pre-existing conditions: https://mobile.twitter.com/SenSherrodBrown/status/860121515018379264

In other news, the ACLU has declared trump's latest executive order to be an elaborate photo-op, with no real effect on policy.

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-statement-so-called-religious-freedom-executive-order

edited 4th May '17 5:06:32 PM by megaeliz

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#187032: May 4th 2017 at 5:10:24 PM

[up][up] that's what sickens me the most. They KNOW it works, they just don't want anyone else to have it. Edit:[up][up][up] does the senate even have enough votes once they nuke the filibuster?

edited 4th May '17 5:11:37 PM by fruitpork

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#187033: May 4th 2017 at 5:13:15 PM

That is interesting, even without the filibuster can they get this through? I mean, there are only 52 Republicans in the Senate, and some of them have already said no or otherwise expressed doubt on this. And it's not like they're going to get help from any of the Democrats, so....

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#187034: May 4th 2017 at 5:14:51 PM

What day does the Senate approve or stop it?

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#187035: May 4th 2017 at 5:17:52 PM

[up] 3 to 4 Weeks.tongue

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#187036: May 4th 2017 at 5:18:52 PM

How likely is it to pass in Senate?

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PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#187037: May 4th 2017 at 5:19:04 PM

These people sicken me.

I am barely containing the things I wish I could say.

I want these murderous bastards punished.

Yeah, I edited my comment because I sounded creepy, what of it?

edited 4th May '17 5:26:21 PM by PolarPhantom

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#187038: May 4th 2017 at 5:20:55 PM

@LSBK: As far as what happens in the senate, without the fillibuster they can only take 2 defections, and Rand Paul already voted against the original repeal attempt, so that means one more GOP senator voting against it will kill the bill.

[down] It's up to three already? Nice.

edited 4th May '17 5:25:55 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#187039: May 4th 2017 at 5:22:23 PM

[up][up][up] 3 Republicans have already said they would not support the Bill, and several are voicing their doubts about it. Even if they nuked the Filibuster, it looks like it won't pass.

Also, someone a few pages back posted that the Senate won't even bother to vote for it, and will instead work on their own version of the AHCA.

edited 4th May '17 5:22:40 PM by DingoWalley1

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#187040: May 4th 2017 at 5:25:48 PM

[up] I'll keep my eyes peeled regardless.

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#187041: May 4th 2017 at 5:25:49 PM

[up][up][up]Two more-they need three Republican Senators to mutiny, because Pence holds the tiebreaker.

edited 4th May '17 5:25:59 PM by ViperMagnum357

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#187042: May 4th 2017 at 5:28:57 PM

I guess that millions losing their health care doesn't make Ivanka upset enough for Trump to do something about it.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#187043: May 4th 2017 at 5:30:48 PM

Of course not. Worrying about paying for healthcare is a problem for poor people.

edited 4th May '17 5:31:57 PM by CaptainCapsase

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#187044: May 4th 2017 at 5:32:10 PM

Ivanka has whatever money Trump gives her. So she can probably afford other healthcare. "Just marry a billionaire like I did!"

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#187045: May 4th 2017 at 5:38:26 PM

@18700 (not going to bother with arrows because this thread moves fast)

Trust me, I know how you feel. If I posted what I really wanted to say about those human-shaped shitstains, I'd probably be getting fitted for a straitjacket right now.

So, short and heavily restrained version: nothing is too horrible to wish on them. At all.

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
StarOutlaw Since: Nov, 2010
#187046: May 4th 2017 at 5:41:52 PM

Better start calling up our senators then, and you better sound pissed about it.

Most of my family is pretty healthy, but they're getting old too. My premium under the ACA was already high, so I'll see if things actually will get better for me. I know that the ACA isn't great, but I have to know, are its shortcomings because of the compromises Obama had to make to appease Republicans? Did Republicans force those compromises to intentionally make the ACA fail so they could blame Obama?

I don't doubt the GOP is motivated by greed, but it's really a special kind of greed spurred on by an ideology that's been a problem going all the way back to the Puritans, the idea that wealth is the reward for morality and that being poor and sick is a punishment for living in sin. The belief that people who are in need of help deserve to suffer, because in their worldview everything is a machination of your actions alone, or God's will, not a series of unfortunate events or accidents, or the cause of cruelty. It's victim blaming, plain and simple, and now it's being applied nation wide. Worse, they treat real victims like parasites. These people have no compassion, even when they could afford it in abundance.

edited 4th May '17 5:44:35 PM by StarOutlaw

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#187047: May 4th 2017 at 5:42:27 PM

I'd note that even if the Senate leadership want to nuke the filibuster they need 50 votes to do that, so even if they have 50 votes for act itself they need to ensure that they have 50 votes for removing the filibuster.

So there are three ways to stop this, flip three Republican senators on the bill itself, flip the Republican Senate leadership on killing the filibuster, or flip three Republican senators on killing the filibuster.

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#187048: May 4th 2017 at 5:50:20 PM

Why stop at only three? We need to ensure there is absolutely zero wiggle room.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#187049: May 4th 2017 at 5:54:31 PM

Is there reason to assume the Republican Senate leadership is even thinking about killing the filibuster? And when I say reason, I mean something more concrete than "Republicans evil, so do evil things."

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#187050: May 4th 2017 at 5:55:55 PM

Wonder how this will effect Ossef's race in Georgia.


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