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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186826: May 4th 2017 at 11:35:18 AM

Just a reminder: the loophole in the AHCA ensures that Congress gets to keep full ACA benefits.

The GOP gets to keep Obamacare while leaving the rest of the nation with Trumpcare.

edited 4th May '17 11:35:58 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#186827: May 4th 2017 at 11:35:23 AM

[up]x5 that's easy for you to say. This administration is hopeless for people like me.

[up] of course it fuckig does.

edited 4th May '17 11:36:34 AM by fruitpork

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#186828: May 4th 2017 at 11:35:39 AM

Joy Reid and her guests discuss Ivanka Trump, noting her company's history of misogyny, her deeply problematic defenses of her father, corruption issues, and the double standards that are applied by those who want to defend her, while harassing the likes of Chelsea Clinton.

edited 4th May '17 11:37:16 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#186829: May 4th 2017 at 11:36:11 AM

The Senate GOP was pretty wary about the first bill and by all accounts this is worse. I question how willing they'll be to pass it.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186831: May 4th 2017 at 11:37:19 AM

[up][up][up] Yep, Ivanka's a real piece of work. That's on top of her being a hack designer who steals some of her designs.

edited 4th May '17 11:37:30 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#186832: May 4th 2017 at 11:37:57 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Still, there's no need to lose it, never at all. The world can always have the chance for people like to you to keep on living no matter what happens. Be strong, be determined, as long as people are here for you, you'll be OK.

edited 4th May '17 11:38:13 AM by Luigisan98

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#186833: May 4th 2017 at 11:37:58 AM

The chances of it passing the Senate are somewhere between slim and none. And even if Trump is stupid enough to want to eliminate the filibuster, Senators are not. Remember that the GOP only has 52 votes in the Senate. All you need are three people who aren't suicidally short-sighted. Given how much pushback the AHCA has gotten, the political will to ram it through the Senate is severely lacking.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#186834: May 4th 2017 at 11:38:57 AM

The one good thing is that Senators are elected by every citizen of the State, not just parts of Gerrymandered States that lean one way or the other. Senators don't get to play the "Constituency" card because the entire state is their Constituency.

I have faith the Senate will either a) Vote it dead, b) Ignore it completely, or c) Pass a version of the AHCA that sucks less but can not get votes in the House.

[up][up][up][up] Money from whom? Trump himself? The Health Care Industry that is vehemently against this bill? The citizens their gonna screw over? The Tea Party clubs that only have a handful Senators in their ranks?

edited 4th May '17 11:40:56 AM by DingoWalley1

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#186835: May 4th 2017 at 11:39:06 AM

@M84

I get so tired of the press treating her like she's somehow different from her father. She's his doppelganger in a way that even his sons aren't.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#186836: May 4th 2017 at 11:39:14 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]Which exists as a motivational factor obviously, but let's not ignore public opinion. The Republican healthcare plan is deeply unpopular to everyone, so they have some motivation to oppose it.

[up] This very much this, just because she's prettier and has more self-control doesn't mean she's in anyway a better person than he is.

edited 4th May '17 11:40:10 AM by Fourthspartan56

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186837: May 4th 2017 at 11:40:53 AM

[up][up]She and her husband Jared Kushner are both awful people. They just happened to be overshadowed by Donald. She's better at maintaining her Mask of Sanity.

edited 4th May '17 11:41:28 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#186838: May 4th 2017 at 11:43:23 AM

It's so easy to focus on what a pair of absolute goons his sons are, but Ivanka's honestly the one who reminds me most of her dad. She's the same kind of conartist that he is, right down to how she runs her company and profits off his presidency—and she's apparently succeeded in conning much of the nation, including a depressing portion of the press, into thinking she's somehow different.

She's a walking billboard for internalized misogyny and white privilege, but gets treated like a voice of reason. It's depressing and it's gotta stop—or god forbid, she's going to try and run for office down the line, and win on the basis of undeserved praise.

edited 4th May '17 11:44:25 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#186839: May 4th 2017 at 11:43:39 AM

The crux of this issue seems to be that even if you assume every single Republican congresscritter is a thoroughly awful human being to their core, it doesn't mean they're all willing to do things that will make stuff more difficult for them down the line.

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#186840: May 4th 2017 at 11:44:24 AM

There is some hope in this AHCA debacle.

That Stupid Evil crap they added to it to woo the Tea Party? Stuff like making rape a pre-existing condition and excusing Congressmen from it?

Yeah, all that shit is going to make it much easier for the courts, who have repeatedly demonstrated that they're on our side, to murder this bill. Even if it passes, I don't imagine the AHCA sticking around any longer than it takes for Lady Liberty to line up the next swing of her blade.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#186841: May 4th 2017 at 11:45:41 AM

Listen guys, no matter what happens, never surrender and never give in to despair. Your words and actions are way stronger that you think you are. You'll have the power in starting doing it right next year.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#186842: May 4th 2017 at 11:45:52 AM

[up][up]As long as it doesn't wind up in front of the Supreme Court. I don't trust Gorsuch on this.

[up]None of us are. We're just acknowledging the scale of the problem.

edited 4th May '17 11:46:17 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186843: May 4th 2017 at 11:46:10 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]Yeesh, if Ivanka ends up running down the line, after Donald...

That's one of the few situations in which I'd vote for Gabbard for POTUS. Granted, I wouldn't be happy about it.

edited 4th May '17 11:47:56 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#186844: May 4th 2017 at 11:48:00 AM

[up][up] Nice to hear it. You Americans truly stand what you truly are and that makes me happy.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#186845: May 4th 2017 at 11:48:33 AM

[up][up]I love how the press is harassing Chelsea Clinton about if she'd want to run someday, and refusing to take "I don't know" as an answer, yet are determined to ignore Ivanka's very real attempts to extract both money and personal power from her father's administration—or worse yet, admit it's happening, yet spin it as a good thing.

That she is treated as the voice of reason is evidence of how little reason there is in the current administration, not her inherent trustworthiness.

What would be darkly hilarious about it would be all the "no political dynasty" right-wingers finding ways to justify it, just like they did for Bush II, and just like they do for the MPP in my home district.

[up]I'm Canadian. So sadly all I can do is watch from the border. It feels distressingly like I'm living at my old apartment again, listening to the guy next door beat his wife and being able to do next to nothing about it.

edited 4th May '17 11:51:06 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186846: May 4th 2017 at 11:48:50 AM

[up][up]Ambar isn't an American citizen, I think.

edited 4th May '17 11:49:01 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#186847: May 4th 2017 at 11:49:24 AM

[up][up][up]Luigi nobody is ever talking about giving up in any capacity but there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying that the situation is dire and the bad guys are winning every so often.

An acknowledgement of how fucked we are is not admitting defeat.

edited 4th May '17 11:49:36 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#186848: May 4th 2017 at 11:51:05 AM

[up][up] Still, any support is guaranteed.

[up] Not a long fucking if the Resistance can stand to it, especially if the 2018 Blue wave happens.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#186849: May 4th 2017 at 11:51:11 AM

TobiasDrake: Yeah, all that shit is going to make it much easier for the courts, who have repeatedly demonstrated that they're on our side, to murder this bill. Even if it passes, I don't imagine the AHCA sticking around any longer than it takes for Lady Liberty to line up the next swing of her blade.

The Problem is, if the 9th Court (or any Court) takes down the AHCA, then we'll have no health care policy in the United States. The AHCA doesn't actually remove Obamacare, it just modifies it into being absolute trash. Getting rid of it will literally destroy the Health Care System in the United States, which will kill more people, and definitely cause a Recession! Hell, the AHCA on it's own might cause said Recession.

Maybe for 2018 that'll be good for Democrats, but for people like Me, that could be a death knell.

AmbarSonOfDeshar: As long as it doesn't wind up in front of the Supreme Court. I don't trust Gorsuch on this.

You don't need to worry about Gorsuch, you need to worry about Chief Justice Roberts, who made the ACA legal. He will make the AHCA legal...

edited 4th May '17 11:54:16 AM by DingoWalley1

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#186850: May 4th 2017 at 11:52:33 AM

Just so everyone knows, There are 23 districts controlled by the GOP that Clinton won six months ago.

13 of them voted yes today.

New Survey coming this weekend!

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