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#186801: May 4th 2017 at 11:20:30 AM

Bills passes with exemption gone.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#186802: May 4th 2017 at 11:22:52 AM

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/860197268737204224/photo/1

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#186803: May 4th 2017 at 11:24:14 AM

[up]Well that's awful, here's hoping it fails in the senate.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#186804: May 4th 2017 at 11:24:45 AM

Another Politico article on Manchin, referencing his opposition to Trump's Obamacare repeal and how West Virginians "will know who took it away from them". 170 000+ people in West Virginia got healthcare thanks to Obama, and while they may not know that, they are, according to Manchin, aware of who is trying to strip it from them.

And a look at how the Republican Senate leadership will be upended by term limits.

And a group of former military leaders and diplomats have formed a Nuclear Crisis Group to try and educate the likes of Trump. Good luck to them; for some reason I doubt he's gonna listen.

edited 4th May '17 11:25:59 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#186805: May 4th 2017 at 11:24:51 AM

[up][up] Wait, it has to pass to the senate so it can be fully implemented?

edited 4th May '17 11:25:51 AM by Luigisan98

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#186806: May 4th 2017 at 11:25:21 AM

[up][up][up][up]Time you actually picked a side and owned it: Is this reversible or is this apocalyptic?

edited 4th May '17 11:25:55 AM by Krieger22

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186807: May 4th 2017 at 11:25:46 AM

[up][up] Yes, and the path to that is a bit more challenging for the GOP. They'd likely have to nuke the filibuster for legislation. And that's opening up a whole new can of worms.

edited 4th May '17 11:25:57 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#186808: May 4th 2017 at 11:27:40 AM

For a bill to become law, it has to pass in identical forms in both House and Senate and be signed by the President.

It's on the Senate. And not a single Democrat, nor Angus King or Bernie will vote to break filibuster. The GOP has three options:

1. Let it die in Senate and send it back to the House

2. Nuke the filibuster for good and all.

3. Try to rally votes to break filibuster

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#186809: May 4th 2017 at 11:27:46 AM

[up] I see.

But can the other states reject it?

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#186810: May 4th 2017 at 11:27:51 AM

I think perhaps the most accurate way to put it is that some republican politicians might have some semblance of scruples and decency, but the leadership and general ethos of the party as it stands now is horrendous and cartoonishly terrible.

I'm reminded of that one statement by Rand Paul where he said that the Republicans couldn't focus on some other issue (I'm sorry, I don't remember the details) because they were too focused on repealing Obaacare. Even though the majority of their constituents are not for it, and in fact are understandably not pleased with the idea that they won't be insured after it's gone.

In other words, they're putting their ideas, regardless of how terrible and unpopular they are, over the country, the people, and the future.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#186811: May 4th 2017 at 11:28:15 AM

There's been speculation that the House vote would succeed primarily because they think it can't pass the Senate. They can look tough and properly conservative without actually taking the risk of the thing passing. Like the attempts to repeal the ACA under Obama

edited 4th May '17 11:28:30 AM by sgamer82

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186812: May 4th 2017 at 11:28:18 AM

[up][up][up]No.

edited 4th May '17 11:28:28 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#186813: May 4th 2017 at 11:29:05 AM

If the Republicans nuke the filibuster and lose in 2020 they're in for a world of hurt.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#186814: May 4th 2017 at 11:29:32 AM

[up][up][up][up]That's a good way of putting it. I can't see how doing this helps them with anything.

Edit: Unless this really is just primarily driven to give Trump a victory.

edited 4th May '17 11:30:52 AM by LSBK

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#186815: May 4th 2017 at 11:29:41 AM

Generally, federal authority supercedes state authority except when stated otherwise... Or Republicans aren't in power and want an easy cause to really around

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#186816: May 4th 2017 at 11:29:51 AM

That's a darn shame that Trumpcare passed the House. Hopefully the Senate Republicans will hold and not allow it to pass. If push comes to shove, a Democrat will need to Filibuster and force 60 Votes on this terrible legislation, and they can't get to 60. Also, the CBO needs to get the new numbers with these Amendments to see how much worse the new AHCA is.

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#186817: May 4th 2017 at 11:30:11 AM

Re: Repubs setting the bill up to fail: Like how they were backing Trump in the hopes his nativist rhetoric would backfire and the Republicans could keep playing opposition?

edited 4th May '17 11:31:00 AM by math792d

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#186818: May 4th 2017 at 11:30:29 AM

This quote seems relevant...

https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/860198542949744641

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carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
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#186819: May 4th 2017 at 11:30:45 AM

Foresight hasn't been their strong point. Look at the lunatics trying to neuter the governor's power in NC without stopping to think that it would render them powerless if the balance of power shifted down the road.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#186820: May 4th 2017 at 11:30:51 AM

[up]Same old GOP, god I loath that Party so goddamn much.

edited 4th May '17 11:31:45 AM by Fourthspartan56

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#186821: May 4th 2017 at 11:32:52 AM

Welp. Consider the aca as good as dead. Filibuster will be killed, he exemption will go through, that's that. I suppose I'm gonna lose my health insurance, seeing as I have asthma. Fuck you, republicans. Fuck you all.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#186822: May 4th 2017 at 11:33:47 AM

[up] Don't lose hope...

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#186823: May 4th 2017 at 11:34:05 AM

[up][up]It's not over yet, it could very well fail in the Senate. But yes they are gigantic wretches.

edited 4th May '17 11:34:15 AM by Fourthspartan56

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#186824: May 4th 2017 at 11:34:37 AM

[up][up][up] I've got Type 1 Diabetes, I'm in the same boat as you. It's even worse because I live in Alabama, which will almost certainly try to get rid of Protections for Pre-Existing Conditions. But I'm hopeful that the Senate, where Republicans have expressly said they do not support the AHCA in its current form, do not vote for it.

edited 4th May '17 11:35:42 AM by DingoWalley1

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#186825: May 4th 2017 at 11:34:39 AM

God, I loathe every molecule of the GOP.

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