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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186726: May 4th 2017 at 4:55:01 AM

[up]That's accelerationist horseshit that ignores the real short-term problems and rather badly underestimates how powerful reactionary propaganda is.

Also, if he "messes up bad", like with healthcare or N. Korea, people will die.

edited 4th May '17 4:56:25 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#186727: May 4th 2017 at 4:55:50 AM

[up]You said what I was going to say in better terms than I would.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#186728: May 4th 2017 at 4:59:37 AM

It's only good in the long term for those who will live to see the long term.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#186729: May 4th 2017 at 4:59:49 AM

I just think some people are really desperate to find something good in this presidency.

i'm tired, my friend
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#186730: May 4th 2017 at 5:22:14 AM

Worth noting that Boris Yeltsin was, in fact, working on bringing Russia into NATO. However, Yeltsin's agenda for Russia was radically different from Putin's; he did not see Russia as a global military hegemon, but as a part of the Global Liberal Democratic Team that, in The '90s, was seen as the way the world was going.

Didn't work out that way.

That said, if Russia wanted to join NATO, they'd first have to commit to playing nice with the Baltics, settle up with Ukraine, and I doubt that France or Germany would be too happy with Putin's authoritarian rule or his control of the media and elections - Poland, Hungary and Turkey are already enough of a pain in the arse.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#186731: May 4th 2017 at 5:38:35 AM

There's only so much irony the universe can handle. Russia joining NATO is one of them

New Survey coming this weekend!
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#186732: May 4th 2017 at 5:53:26 AM

From the @Pres Villain Twitter

I'D BOMB THE S#!&* OUT OF THEM! THERE WOULD BE NOTHING LEFT! #PresidentSupervillain https://t.co/ECWedqNVoG

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#186733: May 4th 2017 at 6:04:15 AM

[up]x4 There was nothing good about the election itself. It was a win for bigotry, and an embarassment to the US.

But what is good, is that forced people to wake up. To realize that democracy requires participation by it's citizens and that the fight against racism, sexism, and bigotry did not end with the civil rights movement. To say, we won't stand for bigotry, the destruction of our environment, or hypocritical policies. In the past few months people have received a crash course in civics and how congress works and hundreds of people who have never been involved suddenly have a reason.

edited 4th May '17 6:04:40 AM by megaeliz

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Lost in Space
#186734: May 4th 2017 at 6:11:34 AM

At least my representative, Charlie Dent, opposes AHCA even though he's a Republican. I tweeted to thank him for being sensible. Make sure to contact your congressman today to let them know how you feel. If they support it, tell them there will be hell to pay when 20m+ people lose health insurance. If they oppose it, thank them. Both things are important.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#186735: May 4th 2017 at 6:18:03 AM

Especially since the number of people who will potentially lose healthcare is high enough that it's quite possible that almost everyone in the US will know someone who lost healthcare because of this. It's almost a tenth of the population.

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#186736: May 4th 2017 at 6:18:34 AM

If I got it right, the big threat now is that the tea partiers who found AHCA "not horrible enough" are satisfied by the recent "upgrades" to it?

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#186738: May 4th 2017 at 6:25:16 AM

I have...serious issues with the acceleratonist theory, to put it mildly. You can't take Neil Gorsuch fof the Supreme Court. The environment has already suffered badly. We're still suffering from the Reagan era's attack on workers and unions.

Acting like it's a tough winter and we all just need to tighten our belts overlooks that...no, it's very likely people will suffer and die as a result of Trump's policies. Neil Gorsuch's first act on the USSC was to vote to deny stay of execution to a disabled black man whose prosecutor was having an affair with the trial judge.

edited 4th May '17 6:26:07 AM by Lightysnake

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#186740: May 4th 2017 at 6:30:44 AM

Looks like I missed another round of Sanders bashing. This is never going away is it?

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#186741: May 4th 2017 at 6:31:51 AM

[up] it's the thing that wouldn't die! ;)

edited 4th May '17 6:38:39 AM by megaeliz

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#186742: May 4th 2017 at 6:32:22 AM

Until there's a D next to his name when he presumes to lecture Democrats, then probably not, no.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#186743: May 4th 2017 at 6:37:28 AM

[up] No, that's not the issue; see Corbyn's Labor party in the U.K. being in a perpetual state of civil war. That's precisely what would've happened if Sanders had become President, and we'd be having more or less this exact conversation in a different context.

edited 4th May '17 6:38:37 AM by CaptainCapsase

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#186744: May 4th 2017 at 6:39:19 AM

My rep opposes ACHA and has said he'd remain in opposition to it in its current form. Though, in his case it's because he's a randroid and thinks it doesn't go far enough.

edit- Darn, a more up to date statement has had him resigning to support it if it ditches the protections for pre existing conditions.

edited 4th May '17 7:11:27 AM by carbon-mantis

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186745: May 4th 2017 at 6:39:24 AM

[up][up]TBF, you're the one bringing up Sanders again. The rest of us moved on to the abominable AHCA.

edited 4th May '17 6:39:36 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#186746: May 4th 2017 at 6:39:50 AM

Sorry. let's go back to ACHA bashing instead, much more fun.

[down] I know, Just a joke

edited 4th May '17 7:19:29 AM by megaeliz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186747: May 4th 2017 at 6:41:31 AM

[up]It's not more fun. It's just more relevant, being an actual life-or-death situation for millions of Americans.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#186748: May 4th 2017 at 6:44:47 AM

[up] Both are relevant ultimately, since this is a battle over the soul of one of the major political parties and everything that stems from that. As far as the GOP's healthcare bill goes, it's unlikely to make it through the senate, and we'll be back here again in a few months for round three. I'm far more concerned about what the administration will do in the face of critically low approval ratings and rumblings about impeachment within his own party.

edited 4th May '17 6:45:51 AM by CaptainCapsase

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#186749: May 4th 2017 at 6:48:11 AM

I may very well end up bidding you guys (and life) adéu if the pre-existing condition clause gets dropped and the high risk pool idea gets passed. The only way I can get my meds on an assistance program is if I'm denied insurance, and the existence of the high risk pool (costing thousands of dollars per month to pay and well beyond any of my means even if I managed to land two jobs) means I'm technically not "denied" insurance. And the income bar for medicaid in my state is so low that means you can't qualify if you're even part-time employed.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186750: May 4th 2017 at 6:48:11 AM

[up][up]It'd be easier to have yet another discussion of Sanders which doesn't go anywhere once people aren't distracted with the possible death of the ACA (and with it millions of Americans).

And while it is unlikely to pass the Senate...I'll breathe easier if it doesn't actually get that far.

edited 4th May '17 6:52:28 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised

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