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#186426: May 3rd 2017 at 1:46:35 AM

[up] Yep. It also makes the people they are protesting against into victims, and provides validation for their persecution complexes.

edited 3rd May '17 1:46:58 AM by M84

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#186427: May 3rd 2017 at 1:52:12 AM

Over here you generally have two types of responses to Nazi demonstrations.

Counter-Demonstrations, aiming to basically take their route/end spot away from them by bigger numbers.

The Antifa who deliberately puts themselves in the way of the Nazis in order to provoke a fight.

More often then not this only ends up making the latter A Lighter Shade of Black. Especially when they start talking about bringing down the state in favor of socialism now and by force because 'this time we're getting it right, people' and want to drag everyone along with them if they want or not. Antifa is usually the radical end of the left fringe and the only reason they are counted among the good guys is that its technically in a continuous Enemy Mine with the rest of us against the Nazis.

.../rant

edited 3rd May '17 1:57:06 AM by 3of4

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#186428: May 3rd 2017 at 1:54:53 AM

Jeremy Corbyn, Helen Keller, George Orwell, Bernie Sanders, Albert Einstein, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador and MLK Jr. were/are all Democratic Socialists.

OTOH...there's also Hugo Chávez.

edited 3rd May '17 1:55:09 AM by M84

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#186429: May 3rd 2017 at 1:56:03 AM

Let's just remember that it's antifa guys that decided to set off firecrackers in the middle of that protest against Yiannappolous. They may be nice over the internet, but they're not exactly the kind of people who are down with peaceful protest. And that brings danger into already tense situations.

They tend to like provoking Trump supporters into fights more but some of them do get violent first which can completely tarnish a protest. That's definitely a problem.

What happened with the firecrackers? I didn't hear about that.

The Antifa who deliberately puts themselves in the way of the Nazis in order to provoke a fight. More often then not this only ends up making them A Lighter Shade Of Gray

Yep, I can agree with this.

edited 3rd May '17 1:57:44 AM by MadSkillz

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#186430: May 3rd 2017 at 1:59:07 AM

OTOH...there's also Hugo Chávez.

Tbf, that's debatable. Can you actually call Venezuela a real democracy under Hugo Chavez?

Especially when they start talking about bringing down the state in favor of socialism now and by force because 'this time we're getting it right, people' and want to drag everyone along with them if they want or not. Antifa is usually the radical end of the left fringe and the only reason they are counted among the good guys is that its technically in a continuous Enemy Mine with the rest of us against the Nazis.

I believe antifa is made up of anarchists or mostly anarchists not socialists.

That's one problem with anarchists is that they can't work with the the system like socialists can. Socialism, for the most part, preaches a gradual change with the government's help whereas anarchists want to destroy the system as fast as possible.

edited 3rd May '17 2:10:50 AM by MadSkillz

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#186431: May 3rd 2017 at 2:10:51 AM

Its a fluid line. I've met both in them. At least over here.

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#186432: May 3rd 2017 at 2:15:06 AM

[up][up] The Venezuelan tropers are probably more qualified to answer that question.

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#186433: May 3rd 2017 at 2:17:08 AM

Isn't he atm trying to pull a Erdogan while bypassing Parliament? I remember seeing something on the Tagesschau yesterday.

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#186434: May 3rd 2017 at 2:18:36 AM

[up] I assume you mean Maduro? Chávez is a little too dead atm.

Hugo Chávez did pull a similar stunt back when he was in power. Yeah, the legislature still had to ratify any changes he wanted to make, but that was a moot point since most of them were his supporters at the time.

He also tried to remove his term limits via referenda. The first one failed, and he let it slide for a couple years before trying again. If that second one hadn't passed (it did) he probably wouldn't have waited even two years.

edited 3rd May '17 2:21:53 AM by M84

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#186435: May 3rd 2017 at 2:21:21 AM

Oh, right. Sorry. I only listened with one ear *cough*

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#186436: May 3rd 2017 at 3:53:08 AM

I'd remind people that Anarchism doesn't mean chaos, it's meant to mean a society without hierarchy, or at least one with a minimalist hierarchy.

So no, not every anarchist wants to tear society down, some just want more direct democracy, more involvement of the people in the process of making laws, more involvement of everyone in management.

You can't go full Anarchism the same way you can't go full Communism, but you can try and bring forward some of the principles.

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#186437: May 3rd 2017 at 3:59:25 AM

Not a thread for general political philosophy. Please?

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#186438: May 3rd 2017 at 4:37:04 AM

Why are Republicans so desperate for healthcare reform?

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2017/5/2/15515216/republicans-health-bill-rush

The DOJ is literally persucuting a woman for laughing at jefff sessions.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2017/5/2/15518574/desiree-fairooz-justice-department

edited 3rd May '17 4:39:11 AM by megaeliz

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#186440: May 3rd 2017 at 5:01:42 AM

No, the reason they're trying to rush the repeal-and-replace strategy is that they plan to use budget reconciliation to bypass a Senate Democrat filibuster, and there are some very picky rules about how they can do that.

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#186442: May 3rd 2017 at 6:22:08 AM

I don't know what to say for this. I can't get my head around that someone would say this.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/331541-minnesota-gop-chair-apologizes-for-muslim-goat-humper-post?amp

(Sorry for the double post, but I think this warranted it's own)

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#186443: May 3rd 2017 at 6:24:56 AM

[up] However reprehensible that sort of thing may be, I don't know why it surprises anyone.

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#186444: May 3rd 2017 at 6:25:10 AM

[up][up] Considering the shit people in the GOP have posted about the Obamas, is it really that surprising?

Disgusting yes, but not surprising.

[up][nja]

edited 3rd May '17 6:25:25 AM by M84

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#186445: May 3rd 2017 at 6:35:41 AM

Its sad, but this is basically standard GOP fare.

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#186446: May 3rd 2017 at 6:40:02 AM

Trump doesn't know or care what's in the new healthcare bill, he only wants a "win".

He's so desperate to out-Obama Obama that he's making tons of calls trying to get a bill that he may have never even read passed.

edited 3rd May '17 6:40:17 AM by M84

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#186447: May 3rd 2017 at 6:41:11 AM

Did he even want the presidency? Based on his actions so far I would say no.

edited 3rd May '17 6:42:32 AM by megaeliz

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#186449: May 3rd 2017 at 6:42:26 AM

[up] Dammit that wasn't supposed to be real...

[up][up]He wanted to win the presidency. But he didn't want to do any actual hard work. As that one interview revealed, he thought it would be easy.

edited 3rd May '17 6:44:26 AM by M84

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#186450: May 3rd 2017 at 6:47:02 AM

[up][up] And the guy that joke was actually about would probably have made a pretty good president, since Schwarzenneger seems to actually sit down and think his way through things.

Instead we get a guy who's reality show appearances actually have more depth than the actual guy.


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