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#186401: May 2nd 2017 at 9:00:55 PM

Georgia city votes to limit cooperation with ICE

Clarkston Council members voted unanimously Tuesday night to limit their tiny De Kalb County city’s cooperation with federal deportation officers amid the Trump administration’s crackdown on illegal immigration.

The new policy, which took effect immediately, says city authorities shall not arrest or detain anyone based on U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement requests called “detainers” or “administrative immigration warrants.”

The council’s decision follows the arrests of scores of unauthorized immigrants across Georgia this year, including many Somali nationals in Clarkston this month. Clarkston’s decision also come as President Donald Trump is seeking to strip federal funding from “sanctuary cities” that don’t fully cooperate with ICE. Last week, a federal judge in California temporarily blocked a key part of Trump’s executive order that would withhold the money.

“It’s more of a symbolic measure,” Clarkston Mayor Ted Terry said in an interview after the vote. “Practically speaking, we are not going to hold anyone for longer than a couple of hours in a holding cell before they get transferred to the De Kalb jail. But people in the community were fearful, and there were lots of very moving stories.”

For the curious, sanctuary cities are illegal as per GA law, hence why Atlanta is a Welcoming City. Also, as noted the decision has limited direct, practical effect. It speaks volumes to the residents of Clarkston though. Ten Good Men and all that...

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#186402: May 2nd 2017 at 9:44:45 PM

Huh, I thought the vaccine-phobia was mostly centered on Jill Stein.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186403: May 2nd 2017 at 9:52:28 PM

[up] Nah she's the one trying to dial back that rhetoric. She is a doctor. But she's doing it in that half-assed dogwhistle way that is meant to avoid alienating people with those views. Basically No, Except Yes.

It's the rest of the Green Party that believes crap like this and worse.

Do you think homeopathy is something that should receive federal funding? No? Then the Green Party isn't the party for you.

Don't think for a second that Stein isn't short a few screws either. She thinks Wifi gives people cancer and is terrified of nuclear power plants.

edited 2nd May '17 9:54:54 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#186404: May 2nd 2017 at 9:55:04 PM

In my extremely limited sample of a single Green Party member (or, well, person who voted Green because he was convinced Sanders was robbed of the nomination and that Hilary was a corporatist shill) she's pretty good at that.

edited 2nd May '17 9:58:37 PM by LSBK

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#186405: May 2nd 2017 at 9:57:11 PM

Sounds like some conservatives I know actually. Hmmmm.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186406: May 2nd 2017 at 9:57:31 PM

Jill Stein acted as the Mask of Sanity for the Green Party.

Think about that.

edited 2nd May '17 9:57:43 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#186407: May 2nd 2017 at 10:18:07 PM

If you aren't convinced of the Green Party's pure quackery, just look into Stein's running mate from last year. He made her look like Harris or Warren by comparison.

The Greens take in people who cross lines the Democrats won't tolerate, like anti-science, rabid anti-interventionism (that goes into Gabbard style apologist rhetoric), animal liberation and so forth. People like Sanders and Warren can do well for themselves in Democratic circles, its the crazies who are thrown out the door and sent to the Greens.

edited 2nd May '17 10:18:21 PM by Rationalinsanity

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A procrastination in of itself
#186408: May 2nd 2017 at 10:19:05 PM

Wait, how is vote splitting a thing in California, doesn't it operate a jungle primary system? That means that as long as either a Democrat or a member of the CNP get into the second round you're fine.

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#186409: May 2nd 2017 at 10:49:10 PM

Because too many candidates in the first round can mean the opposition gains both top two places and thus a guaranteed seat. See the 2016 Senatr election and a few House elections. It's a fairly common thing.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#186410: May 2nd 2017 at 11:12:24 PM

A May Day protest in Portland has been shut down after demonstrators threw full cans of Pepsi at officers, with one hitting a medic, according to police in the US city.

On Monday, as the pro-labor, anti-Trump rally in Oregon descended into violence, Portland police tweeted that demonstrators had started hurling objects including full Pepsi cans at officers.

Shortly later the protest’s permit was revoked and police moved in to shut it down. Three people were arrested.

Nice going, Pepsi. You escalated it.

Also someone tweeted an image of a protester holding out a Pepsi can to one of the officers.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#186411: May 2nd 2017 at 11:25:58 PM

[up]

Well it definitely increased their sales.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#186412: May 2nd 2017 at 11:37:20 PM

I don't think this was the publicity they needed.

And I checked out the anarchist reddit sub-forum to see what they're saying about this.

And I was surprised that they had pretty nice ideals with mostly nice people. That's good. Didn't realize they were so socially progressive either.

Some of them are a tad too prone to getting violentally angry but compared to the alt-right, they're angels.

edited 2nd May '17 11:44:44 PM by MadSkillz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186413: May 2nd 2017 at 11:39:33 PM

[up] TBF, "At least they're not the alt-right" isn't that difficult a bar to clear.

Disgusted, but not surprised
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#186414: May 2nd 2017 at 11:51:43 PM

True but I guess I wasn't expecting them to be so fiercely feminist and anti-racist.

I mean I knew they supported antifa but I thought that was just on the principle of fascists being their antithesis because of how authoritarian they are.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#186415: May 3rd 2017 at 12:10:50 AM

It's not too surprising to me. Anarchism is a very idealistic school of thought- the basic premise is that things will work out for the best if we just get rid of all rules- that once you get rid of all corrupt institutions, you'll have gotten rid of everything preventing people from just getting along.

It's an ideology that requires you to have a hell of a lot of faith in the basic goodness of human nature if you want to be able to seriously argue in favour of it.

edited 3rd May '17 12:11:31 AM by Gilphon

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186416: May 3rd 2017 at 12:12:20 AM

[up][up] It kind of makes sense if you consider that fascism and bigotry overlap pretty often.

edited 3rd May '17 12:12:30 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#186417: May 3rd 2017 at 12:13:41 AM

Meh, they're still anarchists which makes them idiots at their absolutely best

Oh really when?
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#186418: May 3rd 2017 at 1:00:42 AM

Meh, they're still anarchists which makes them idiots at their absolutely best

That's pretty messed up, man.

I think we have an anarchist or two that have posted on here before too.

edited 3rd May '17 1:01:39 AM by MadSkillz

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Destroyer of Worlds
#186419: May 3rd 2017 at 1:08:38 AM

Jesus Christ, Heineken is just as bad as Pepsi. Maybe even worse.

Ugh.

edited 3rd May '17 1:09:38 AM by MadSkillz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186420: May 3rd 2017 at 1:14:34 AM

[up]I dunno about the rest of you, but the last thing I want to talk about when drinking for fun is politics.

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#186421: May 3rd 2017 at 1:14:58 AM

Anarchism and socialism have the exact same bug - they expect everyone to play by the rules, and have no contingency plans for the occasion when someone doesn't.

CNN sources claim that former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates will contradict the official Trump Administration line on Flynn.

In a private meeting January 26, Yates told White House Counsel Don Mc Gahn that Flynn was lying when he denied in public and private that he had discussed US sanctions on Russia in conversations with Russian Ambassador to the US Sergei Kislyak. Flynn's misleading comments, Yates said, made him potentially vulnerable to being compromised by Russia, according to sources familiar with her version of events. She expressed "serious concerns" to Mc Gahn, making it clear — without making a recommendation — that Flynn could be fired.

[up]Flip the sequence around, and there you have it. Can't find anything better than mass market swill right now, and I don't have the money either.

edited 3rd May '17 1:16:28 AM by Krieger22

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186422: May 3rd 2017 at 1:20:23 AM

[up]The thing about anarchism and socialism is that they can't make contingency plans if they want to remain true to their principles. Since then they'd effectively be setting up governments anyway.

Disgusted, but not surprised
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#186423: May 3rd 2017 at 1:27:37 AM

Anarchism and socialism have the exact same bug - they expect everyone to play by the rules, and have no contingency plans for the occasion when someone doesn't.

You're thinking of communism which is somewhat similar to anarchism.

Socialism has a different bug.

edited 3rd May '17 1:28:13 AM by MadSkillz

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#186424: May 3rd 2017 at 1:31:01 AM

The thing about anarchism and socialism is that they can't make contingency plans if they want to remain true to their principles. Since then they'd effectively be setting up governments anyway.

Different forms of socialism have different endpoints.

Democratic Socialism, some argue, is supposed to end with a socialist economy and a democratic government.

Jeremy Corbyn, Helen Keller, George Orwell, Bernie Sanders, Albert Einstein, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador and MLK Jr. were/are all Democratic Socialists.

edited 3rd May '17 1:39:48 AM by MadSkillz

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#186425: May 3rd 2017 at 1:43:49 AM

Let's just remember that it's antifa guys that decided to set off firecrackers in the middle of that protest against Yiannappolous. They may be nice over the internet, but they're not exactly the kind of people who are down with peaceful protest. And that brings danger into already tense situations.


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