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RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#186376: May 2nd 2017 at 7:40:27 PM

[up][up]Coming out of a Socialist Republic myself, yeah they are just as idiotic, it's just that they don't have the spine to back it up.

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#186377: May 2nd 2017 at 7:41:04 PM

Like I said before, I have a hard time taking that personally when being low-information is hardly just a Republican party.

This is sort of an obvious thing but yeah I think most voters in any broad category will tend to be low information.

I mean I definitely can't say I have a full understanding of how the US government works, or even my own country's government. And in fairness this is because things like the structure of government, economic policy, social justice, foreign policy, law, etc are all extremely complex and can take years of reading news sites and books, prolonged contemplation, and just plain experience to really understand on a deeper level.

And in fairness it can be hard for some people to really make the time for these things. I mean, it doesn't take much time to watch the news or maybe read an article on a website every now and then but things like that only get you so far. Some people lead very stressful, busy lives where it might not occur to them to become more informed because they're preoccupied with other things. I'm not necessarily saying that absolves them completely from any blame, but not everyone has the time to really dig into the nitty gritty of it all, even if it isn't ideal.

edited 2nd May '17 7:42:32 PM by Draghinazzo

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#186378: May 2nd 2017 at 7:43:26 PM

[up] Which is what makes it all too easy for a populist to rely on emotional appeals and pie-in-the-sky dreams and the ever popular anti "elite"/"establishment" rhetoric to win votes. Sometimes with a dash of bigotry and xenophobia.

edited 2nd May '17 7:47:01 PM by M84

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#186379: May 2nd 2017 at 7:48:38 PM

Oh and yeah, I forgot to mention that, but I think a good deal of people (the majority, I might even say, though I don't have any statistics to back this or anything to this is all just supposition on my part) vote for mostly gut emotional reasons.

That doesn't necessarily have to be bad - I think a lot of people were offended by Trump's bigotry and his ignorance and their emotional reaction to that was a big factor in them not voting for him. I don't see that as a negative.

But you can't really ignore rational or practical concerns when things like politics are involved either, or you never get anywhere.

edited 2nd May '17 7:48:55 PM by Draghinazzo

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#186380: May 2nd 2017 at 7:52:43 PM

Ugh, imagine the shitshow if they actually manage to get enough registered voters to qualify because of the appeal of their other policies.

I have the suspicious feeling that all of those other policies are nothing but bait to attract the voters they need to get a foot in the door.

I don't think it would be a shitshow. Because even if they get into offices, there's no way they could secede without the consensus of the US so realistically I have no problem with them winning offices.

edited 2nd May '17 7:52:59 PM by MadSkillz

RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#186381: May 2nd 2017 at 7:53:48 PM

[up]That is actually kinda worse.

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#186382: May 2nd 2017 at 7:53:50 PM

[up][up]"Oh there's absolutely no way they'll ever succeed, so there's no harm in supporting them!"

Tempting Fate...

edited 2nd May '17 7:54:12 PM by M84

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#186383: May 2nd 2017 at 7:55:31 PM

[up] Eh, Trump winning was always a possibility. Okay, maybe I should say that the chances are so minuscule that it's not worth contemplating.

I'm not supporting them btw. I just have no problem with them.

And perhaps they could shift California a bit further left.

@Alexa I'm not seeing it.

edited 2nd May '17 7:56:17 PM by MadSkillz

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#186384: May 2nd 2017 at 7:56:15 PM

[up]x4 Even if the CSP (which I hadn't heard of until today) dropped it's Secessionist ambitions, it'd still be bad because it would split votes away from the Democratic Party. You really want to risk making California become Competitive, or worse, Red with the current batch of Republicans?

I wouldn't tempt fate...

edited 2nd May '17 7:56:38 PM by DingoWalley1

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Oh, bother.
#186385: May 2nd 2017 at 7:56:58 PM

[up][up],[up] *cough* Maine *cough*

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#186386: May 2nd 2017 at 7:57:56 PM

Even if the CSP (which I hadn't heard of until today) dropped it's Secessionist ambitions, it'd still be bad because it would split votes away from the Democratic Party. You really want to risk making California become Competitive, or worse, Red with the current batch of Republicans?

CNP. They're not running candidates until 2018.

But that's a good point that you made Dingo.

I should say that I don't mind the CNP running candidates in super blue districts like San Francisco.

Which pretty much means that I have to hope they crater because there's no telling if they'd stop just in super blue districts. Alas.

edited 2nd May '17 8:00:23 PM by MadSkillz

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#186387: May 2nd 2017 at 7:59:59 PM

Wasn't until university in a college specifically designed for aspiring bureaucrats that I got more than the theme park version of civics. And yet I wouldn't call myself overly knowledgeable given the existence of ppl like Johnson, Pelosi, and HRC who've had decades under their belt with Pelosi throwing it all out for the world to see.

It feels weird to have a President that I simply can't root for. It makes me feel like a "bad" American. I dunno.
Way late to this post, but it hits home. note 

Personally, I wouldn't mind if the US turned into more of a collection of autonomous communities within the US. Not entirely autonomous though. We still have to protect people.

Not 50 autonomous communities but more like a mish-mash of states that share ideals and culture together.

I'd always been fond of the megaregions idea, basically the states except redrawn around metropolitan areas (as defined by commutes and other economic interactions). It addresses both metropolitan fragmentation (part of the bureaucracy issue), and puts teeth into regional development plans. Tis pipe dream to replace the states note  but—in theory—the states can cooperate (with the consent of Congress) to create inter-state regional authorities following current trends.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#186388: May 2nd 2017 at 8:01:49 PM

I feel pretty damn American even if I don't like or approve of my President. That's one of the things that makes America America dammit. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise can screw off.

edited 2nd May '17 8:03:00 PM by M84

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RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#186389: May 2nd 2017 at 8:02:53 PM

[up]

edited 2nd May '17 8:03:13 PM by RAlexa21th

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#186390: May 2nd 2017 at 8:05:20 PM

[up]x4 Even in Super Blue Districts, I would worry that the CNP (not the CSP, which was my mistake) would steal enough votes from the Democrats to give the area to Republicans or even worse 3rd Parties (specifically, the Greens).

Vote splitting is a serious worry. Unless California decided to become the first state to do a List-Style, Pick-Favorite-to-Least-Favorite Voting System in the United States, these 3rd Parties stealing votes from the Democrats is very risky.

edited 2nd May '17 8:05:44 PM by DingoWalley1

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#186391: May 2nd 2017 at 8:05:41 PM

I identify as Californian first.

I don't actually feel a sense of Americanness especially since half the country is insane or ignorant and wants to throw my family out.

RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#186392: May 2nd 2017 at 8:06:27 PM

I don't think I identify with any geographical region or culture.

edited 2nd May '17 8:06:46 PM by RAlexa21th

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#186393: May 2nd 2017 at 8:07:53 PM

I do out of convenience and necessity, at least.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#186394: May 2nd 2017 at 8:08:06 PM

Even in Super Blue Districts, I would worry that the CNP (not the CSP, which was my mistake) would steal enough votes from the Democrats to give the area to Republicans or even worse 3rd Parties (specifically, the Greens).

What makes the Greens worse than the Republicans?

Vote splitting is a serious worry. Unless California decided to become the first state to do a List-Style, Pick-Favorite-to-Least-Favorite Voting System in the United States, these 3rd Parties stealing votes from the Democrats is very risky.

I support this.

RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#186395: May 2nd 2017 at 8:08:53 PM

[up]We'd all know how it turned out.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#186396: May 2nd 2017 at 8:12:00 PM

Oh yes, that's just what we need. The Jill Steins and Ajamu Barakas in the country gaining actual power.

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#186397: May 2nd 2017 at 8:15:06 PM

[up][up][up] Their Anti Vaccine Stance, mostly, which would result in massive viral outbreaks in the country and would cause the empowerment of the "Alternative, Holistic" Medicine Bull that hurts so many people. I think Jill Stein also peddled the idea that Internet Modem's Guarantee Cancer, which screams crazy to me.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186398: May 2nd 2017 at 8:16:13 PM

[up] Yeah, Stein's a Wifi fearing radiophobe.

Baraka is worse.

Also, some might try to claim that the Green Party has walked back their anti-vaccine rhetoric. Don't believe it. Plenty of them still hold on to their anti-vaccine views.

edited 2nd May '17 8:17:25 PM by M84

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#186399: May 2nd 2017 at 8:16:29 PM

[up][up]It still sounds less destructive than the GOP,which admittedly is only because of how awful the GOP is.

edited 2nd May '17 8:16:39 PM by Fourthspartan56

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#186400: May 2nd 2017 at 8:37:51 PM

I feel pretty damn American even if I don't like or approve of my President. That's one of the things that makes America America dammit. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise can screw off.

[awesome]

edited 2nd May '17 8:39:11 PM by BearyScary

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