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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#186051: May 1st 2017 at 6:48:50 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Murdoch already owns 39% of Sky. The issue is one of cornering the media market, which is a big issue in the UK. It's also a scandal in this case, as the first deal fell through as it became more and more clear that Murdoch was putting pressure on the Cameron government to permit the bid to go through. At the time, it was a coalition government (Conservatives and Liberal Democrats), and the Lib Dems were opposing the merger. Murdoch's response was to destroy the Lib Dem reputation in the media.

There was bullying, blackmail, bribery, extortion going on towards the government, but the deal only fell through with the hacking scandal exploded, and Murdoch became too hot to handle for a while. The fitness aspect was tossed in because of the hacking scandal.

This deal has been rumbling on for a couple of months now, because as soon as he felt the hacking scandal had quietened down and there was too much focus on other things (Brexit), he kicked it off again. It predates all the changes at Fox by months, so I'm not sure if the two are connected.

edited 1st May '17 6:50:50 PM by Wyldchyld

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#186052: May 1st 2017 at 6:53:25 PM

[up]There's another factor to it though. Namely that Rupert's children are a lot less conservative than Fox News. In fact, the Murdoch heirs want CNN's head to head Fox News. And Rupert's been heanding more power to them.

Here's a good article about it.

Fascinated by its growing influence and low-cost structure, and noting the flakiness of its owner, Ted Turner, Rupert Murdoch made several attempts to buy CNN between 1993 and 1995. Rebuffed by Turner, who thought as little of Murdoch as Murdoch thought of him, CNN was sold to Time Warner in 1996. In something of a this-is-war huff, Murdoch vowed to start his own cable news network.

Fox News, launched that year, was not meant to be the right-wing lightning rod that it became under Roger Ailes. It was originally meant to compete with CNN for influence, stature and viewers in the new cable news business.

Forsaking establishment cred, the new network, in Ailes' aggressive bid for an under-served right-wing audience, went on to clobber CNN in ratings and profits. But 20 years later, CNN is again becoming the model for Murdoch's sons, Lachlan and James, as they envision a post-Ailes world. CNN's current chief, Jeff Zucker, is even said among industry insiders to be one of the sons' top choices to take over at Fox News.

Fox New's future is center-right especially once Rupert Murdoch sees.

Rupert's sons were apparently not cool with Shine heading Fox News after Ailes was kicked out and now Shine is out.

edited 1st May '17 6:56:29 PM by MadSkillz

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#186053: May 1st 2017 at 6:59:00 PM

[up][up][up]I have taken to calling him the razzle-dazzle President, after the song from Chicago.

Long as you keep 'em way off balance, How can they spot you got no talents?

edited 1st May '17 6:59:19 PM by megaeliz

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#186054: May 1st 2017 at 7:02:24 PM

Representative Joaquin Castro (D-TX) told supporters he will not be taking on Ted Cruz in the 2018 election.

More than likely to make sure there is no infighting, and Beto O'Rourke stands a chance.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#186056: May 1st 2017 at 7:08:13 PM

I meant to ask this earlier, but why is he on about the Civil War and Andrew Jackson?

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#186057: May 1st 2017 at 7:10:19 PM

[up][up]Why do I feel like he literally just learned that today by being on twitter. And he's just made it worse for himself. people will keep it up if they know it annoys him.

[up] this interview: https://mobile.twitter.com/SXMPolitics/status/858999704167751680

Context: http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/01/politics/donald-trump-civil-war-comments-sirius-interview/

edited 1st May '17 7:17:59 PM by megaeliz

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#186058: May 1st 2017 at 7:11:26 PM

[up][up]The Moldy Orange greatly admires Jackson for his brutality and ruthlessness. No real surprise there.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#186059: May 1st 2017 at 7:13:26 PM

[up][up][up]He's jealous of Jackson for all of his ethnic cleansing, Trump wants in on that action. Also he feels that Jackson would've avoided the war, somehow.

edited 1st May '17 7:13:43 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#186060: May 1st 2017 at 7:17:12 PM

I strongly suspect that Trump didn't even know who Andrew Jackson was yesterday...

...beyond being the guy on the $20 bill, I mean...

edited 1st May '17 7:18:43 PM by pwiegle

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#186061: May 1st 2017 at 7:18:00 PM

[up] Or maybe mixed him up with Andrew Johnson, who he did know about because his last name was Johnson.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#186062: May 1st 2017 at 7:20:57 PM

Has everyone heard the whole clip? I feel like he may be bluffing through half of it.

"They destroyed his wife, and she died."

Andrew Jackson had a big heart?! (Really need an introbang)

https://mobile.twitter.com/SXMPolitics/status/858999704167751680

edited 1st May '17 7:24:22 PM by megaeliz

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#186063: May 1st 2017 at 7:21:44 PM

[up][up]Likely, but Jackson's Trail of Tears is fairly well known so I wouldn't be surprised if Trump knew about it and thought "hey that sounds nice, wish I could do that with the Mexicans".

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#186064: May 1st 2017 at 7:23:19 PM

Trump knows who Jackson is.

Ha frequently looked up to him as a role model and even put his bust up in the White House .

Trump's also saying that if Jackson had been president during 1860, he could've stopped it.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186065: May 1st 2017 at 7:24:21 PM

[up][up]Yep, the guy wants his own Trail of Tears but biglier.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#186066: May 1st 2017 at 7:38:20 PM

Elizabeth Warren says Barack Obama does not understand 'lived experience of most Americans'

What the fuck?!

Does she not know or remember what Obama's childhood and early adulthood was like? His life before President, in fact?

This is full blown pandering to WWC.

Obama is the only winner our party has left, and its current leaders are rushing to shit on him so they can get some Bern-cred. This is disgusting.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#186067: May 1st 2017 at 7:46:42 PM

I'm not really seeing the pandering there. She didn't just say Obama, she said most politicians on both sides. At least not pandering specific to "WWC"'s which I guess is just a thing we're saying now.

And I'm not really seeing the "Bern-cred" either since she specifically called out something where she disagrees with Sanders.

edited 1st May '17 7:47:28 PM by LSBK

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#186069: May 1st 2017 at 8:03:41 PM

New York hates Donald Trump and anything to do with his family.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/05/01/politics/tribeca-highlights-politics/index.html

edited 1st May '17 8:22:17 PM by megaeliz

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#186070: May 1st 2017 at 8:06:50 PM

[up][up]No, I didn't miss it, because that says the exact same thing as the other article you posted. I just disagree, for the reasons I've already said.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186071: May 1st 2017 at 8:07:06 PM

And there goes my remaining respect for Warren. I already posted a long time ago that I didn't approve of her demonizing Wall Street and her simplistic views of banking, but this? Yeah, I'm done. I'm glad she's probably not going to run for President in 2020.

At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if she falls over herself sucking up to Trump just because he supposedly claimed he's open to bringing back Glass-Steagall.

That said, if she does end up the Democratic Party candidate in 2020 somehow, I'll still vote for her because she's better than Trump (an incredibly low bar).

edited 1st May '17 8:14:14 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#186072: May 1st 2017 at 8:14:53 PM

I found a really nice response to an Op-Ed in the New York Times, expressing climate change skepticism. It's a conservitive arguement for adressing Climate change and shows how it doesn't need to be a partisan issue. Original article: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/28/opinion/climate-of-complete-certainty.html

Response: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5907a87be4b02655f83f85b0/amp

edited 1st May '17 8:37:01 PM by megaeliz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#186073: May 1st 2017 at 8:15:48 PM

[up][up][up][up] Yeah, NYC has hated Trump ever since he smashed irreplacable artwork to build his damn tower.

edited 1st May '17 8:16:00 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#186074: May 1st 2017 at 8:16:46 PM

I mean, my first instinct with that would be more that she's "pandering" to all the enthused youths who went for Bernie, and those people were most certainly not (just) white and/or working class. Even then, she went out to make a distinction between herself and him.

Of course, there are a fair share of potential problems with that, but it's not as simple as "She's after poor-whites and forget everyone else", or anything like that.

edited 1st May '17 8:17:04 PM by LSBK

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#186075: May 1st 2017 at 8:38:56 PM

@Tactical Fox 88: The full quote from the interview that article sites doesn't seem nearly as scathing/damning as you make it out to be. . .

“I think President Obama, like many others in both parties, talks about a set of big national statistics that look shiny and great but increasingly have giant blind spots,” she says. “That GDP, unemployment, no longer reflect the lived experiences of most Americans. And the lived experiences of most Americans is that they are being left behind in this economy.

“Worse than being left behind, they’re getting kicked in the teeth.”

edited 1st May '17 8:39:17 PM by Mio


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