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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#185976: May 1st 2017 at 12:19:24 PM

Yeah, I think Obama got elected, largely on account of not being Bush and wanting to end the war in Iraq. In fact, I think Bush's failures influenced his own party quite a bit, too.

I'm not a Democrat (I like their immigration and economic policy, but I'm much more right-leaning on social issues), though I don't think it's accurate to say that they abandoned the working class or minorities. Particularly when compared to the GOP. Remember, the people only have to hate you less than the other guy.

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#185977: May 1st 2017 at 12:24:56 PM

Reposting this article Septimus Heap shared two pages ago because it's relevant.

I'm not sure to what. They make a big deal about how they've cracked the secret for why Hillary lost, but what they reveal is the most basic of the basic.

BREAKING NEWS: Hillary lost 'cause a bunch of folks voted for Trump instead.

We knew that. At least, I did. Did we not know that?

At this point, I'm starting to feel like "Obama voters" is becoming a dogwhistle for WWC. Y'all know that it wasn't just white folks voting for Obama, right?

edited 1st May '17 12:26:14 PM by TobiasDrake

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#185978: May 1st 2017 at 12:28:18 PM

No, we didn't know that. People were insisting that turnout was the main reason she lost.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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#185979: May 1st 2017 at 12:30:11 PM

Turnout is the reason she lost. And so is people voting for Trump. As close as the election was, literally any single thing going more in her favor would have resulted in her victory.

And that, right there, is the problem: there are folks on the left who just keep asking the question, "Why did Trump absolutely and irreversibly crush Hillary in a landslide victory the likes of which America has never seen?" The answer is, "He didn't. That's not what happened."

But the question keeps getting asked over and over and over again, in the hopes that if they ask it enough, they'll get a different answer. And then something something f*ck minorities, power to the WWC, all hail Lord Sanders.

edited 1st May '17 12:30:21 PM by TobiasDrake

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#185981: May 1st 2017 at 12:33:21 PM

A reason. Not the reason. Probably the minor reason. That's why I did mention that article.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#185982: May 1st 2017 at 12:38:24 PM

Fox News taking just as many Ls as the President.

New Survey coming this weekend!
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#185983: May 1st 2017 at 12:38:43 PM

[up][up][up] I wonder if Fox News can even continue to survive at this rate; they're losing too many people too fast, and they're getting sued left and right.

If they do survive, they're probably going to be completely different. Whether they're better or worse after this, I can't say...

edited 1st May '17 12:38:53 PM by DingoWalley1

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#185984: May 1st 2017 at 12:39:55 PM

So what, has Murdoch decided that now's the time to purge the company or something?

I mean, I'm not complaining. Maybe he figures that with the spotlight on Fox, he can't afford to do nothing?

edited 1st May '17 12:40:43 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#185985: May 1st 2017 at 12:43:04 PM

I get the impression that article was both arguing against the point of view expressed here by many (just forget WWC for the time being) and the opposite extreme (WWC might be the most important demographic and the Dems should do whatever it takes to get them back).

As for why people care so much, I think it's reasonable to wonder how someone, specifically of the ilk we're talking about, could be fine with voting for Obama, maybe twice, but then go and vote for Trump. So a bit of "The Democrats shouldn't just neglecto getting their base ready, but also shouldn't just dismiss stealing some WWC from Republicans". Not the end all be all, but not a thing to dismiss as impossible or counterproductive.

But, I do remember hearing about Hilary under-performing in areas supposed to be safe for her while Trump did better than expected, so the idea isn't exactly new. Presumably they just have more data for better insight now.

edited 1st May '17 2:28:35 PM by LSBK

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#185987: May 1st 2017 at 12:50:14 PM

Pagetopping, sorry:

Won't worry about it until there is an actual vote scheduled. They said the same thing the last time they tried, and they actually didn't have the votes.

edited 1st May '17 12:51:34 PM by DingoWalley1

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#185988: May 1st 2017 at 12:51:43 PM

Cohn is talking out of his ass. From that same article:

Speaking on the House floor Friday, Majority Leader Kevin Mc Carthy (R-Calif.) said he did not "have anything scheduled for next week," regarding the healthcare bill.

Anal verbage is the law of the land where Trump spokespeople are concerned. They have been and continue to be gaslighting America: saying optimistic things about their administration that are utterly divorced from reality, secure in the knowledge that their followers won't question it.

edited 1st May '17 12:52:56 PM by TobiasDrake

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#185989: May 1st 2017 at 12:52:16 PM

[up][up]Still if anyone here has moderate republican reps, you should probably call. Make sure it stays dead.

edited 1st May '17 12:53:37 PM by megaeliz

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#185990: May 1st 2017 at 12:53:29 PM

Oh, definitely. Everyone should be doing that as much as possible. I'm just saying, don't panic just because Jeffrey Cohn is being an idiot again.

Remember: this is the same guy whose killer argument against Trump ever releasing his taxes was that taxes are hard.

edited 1st May '17 12:53:41 PM by TobiasDrake

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#185992: May 1st 2017 at 1:00:40 PM

I think Trump is missing the point, it's not Florida that we hate, it's the amount of money it costs to golf every week.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/331381-trump-may-spend-weekend-at-his-new-jersey-golf-course?amp

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#185993: May 1st 2017 at 1:02:46 PM

And just because Trump Care gets through the House (hardly assured), its still dead on arrival in the Senate as of now.

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#185994: May 1st 2017 at 1:04:13 PM

During his White House Correspondents' Dinner speech, Hasan Minhaj of the Daily Show pointed out that we should really cut Trump some slack on his golf trips. The more time he spends golfing, the less time he spends making awful decisions and ruining our country. If anything, we should encourage Trump to golf more.

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#185996: May 1st 2017 at 1:05:46 PM

I get the impression that article was both arguing against the point of view expressed here by many (just forget WWC for the time being) and the opposite extreme (WWC might be the most important demographic and the Dems should do whatever it takes to get them back).

As for why people care so much, I think it's reasonable to wonder how someone, specifically of the ilk we're talking about, could be fine with voting for Obama, maybe twice, but then go and vote for Trump. So a bit of "The Democrats shouldn't just focus on getting their base done, but shouldn't just dismiss stealing some WWC from Republicans". Not the end all be all, but a thing to not dismiss as impossible or counterproductive.

That's exactly why I thought it was relevant enough to repost.

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#185998: May 1st 2017 at 1:16:04 PM

That's one battle down and many more to go.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#185999: May 1st 2017 at 1:21:39 PM

Thank goodness.

This was said many pages back:

Sorry to shift the conversation a bit, but i'm really happy how many things Trump said have been blocked/rectified.

Me Too!. I take solace in how much they've failed to enact these things right off the bat.

One thing that El Trumpo doesn't talk about anymore is suing the women who accused him of sexual harassment. I remember seeing a clip where he said he would do that in his first 100 days. Instead, I don't think he's mentioned it since. I'm glad that he didn't do it.

Hmm... Why do you think he didn't? Is it because the lawsuits may not have gone his way?

It feels weird that I root for a president to fail because their actions are so bad for the most vulnerable members of society (talking in general, not just in reference to the women that accused him).

edited 1st May '17 1:26:38 PM by BearyScary

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#186000: May 1st 2017 at 1:24:20 PM

[up][up]It's the world's worst game of whack-a-mole. You hit one, two more pop up.

edited 1st May '17 1:26:10 PM by megaeliz


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