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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I'm not sure to what. They make a big deal about how they've cracked the secret for why Hillary lost, but what they reveal is the most basic of the basic.
BREAKING NEWS: Hillary lost 'cause a bunch of folks voted for Trump instead.
We knew that. At least, I did. Did we not know that?
At this point, I'm starting to feel like "Obama voters" is becoming a dogwhistle for WWC. Y'all know that it wasn't just white folks voting for Obama, right?
edited 1st May '17 12:26:14 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Turnout is the reason she lost. And so is people voting for Trump. As close as the election was, literally any single thing going more in her favor would have resulted in her victory.
And that, right there, is the problem: there are folks on the left who just keep asking the question, "Why did Trump absolutely and irreversibly crush Hillary in a landslide victory the likes of which America has never seen?" The answer is, "He didn't. That's not what happened."
But the question keeps getting asked over and over and over again, in the hopes that if they ask it enough, they'll get a different answer. And then something something f*ck minorities, power to the WWC, all hail Lord Sanders.
edited 1st May '17 12:30:21 PM by TobiasDrake
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I wonder if Fox News can even continue to survive at this rate; they're losing too many people too fast, and they're getting sued left and right.
If they do survive, they're probably going to be completely different. Whether they're better or worse after this, I can't say...
edited 1st May '17 12:38:53 PM by DingoWalley1
So what, has Murdoch decided that now's the time to purge the company or something?
I mean, I'm not complaining. Maybe he figures that with the spotlight on Fox, he can't afford to do nothing?
edited 1st May '17 12:40:43 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!I get the impression that article was both arguing against the point of view expressed here by many (just forget WWC for the time being) and the opposite extreme (WWC might be the most important demographic and the Dems should do whatever it takes to get them back).
As for why people care so much, I think it's reasonable to wonder how someone, specifically of the ilk we're talking about, could be fine with voting for Obama, maybe twice, but then go and vote for Trump. So a bit of "The Democrats shouldn't just neglecto getting their base ready, but also shouldn't just dismiss stealing some WWC from Republicans". Not the end all be all, but not a thing to dismiss as impossible or counterproductive.
But, I do remember hearing about Hilary under-performing in areas supposed to be safe for her while Trump did better than expected, so the idea isn't exactly new. Presumably they just have more data for better insight now.
edited 1st May '17 2:28:35 PM by LSBK
Oh crap
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/331337-cohn-i-think-we-have-the-votes-for-healthcare
edited 1st May '17 12:48:53 PM by megaeliz
Pagetopping, sorry:
Won't worry about it until there is an actual vote scheduled. They said the same thing the last time they tried, and they actually didn't have the votes.
edited 1st May '17 12:51:34 PM by DingoWalley1
Cohn is talking out of his ass. From that same article:
Anal verbage is the law of the land where Trump spokespeople are concerned. They have been and continue to be gaslighting America: saying optimistic things about their administration that are utterly divorced from reality, secure in the knowledge that their followers won't question it.
edited 1st May '17 12:52:56 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Oh, definitely. Everyone should be doing that as much as possible. I'm just saying, don't panic just because Jeffrey Cohn is being an idiot again.
Remember: this is the same guy whose killer argument against Trump ever releasing his taxes was that taxes are hard.
edited 1st May '17 12:53:41 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I think Trump is missing the point, it's not Florida that we hate, it's the amount of money it costs to golf every week.
And just because Trump Care gets through the House (hardly assured), its still dead on arrival in the Senate as of now.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.During his White House Correspondents' Dinner speech, Hasan Minhaj of the Daily Show pointed out that we should really cut Trump some slack on his golf trips. The more time he spends golfing, the less time he spends making awful decisions and ruining our country. If anything, we should encourage Trump to golf more.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Apropos of nothing besides our earlier civil war talk, I felt like sharing a tweet from Jesse Cox
As for why people care so much, I think it's reasonable to wonder how someone, specifically of the ilk we're talking about, could be fine with voting for Obama, maybe twice, but then go and vote for Trump. So a bit of "The Democrats shouldn't just focus on getting their base done, but shouldn't just dismiss stealing some WWC from Republicans". Not the end all be all, but a thing to not dismiss as impossible or counterproductive.
That's exactly why I thought it was relevant enough to repost.
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KVFederal appeals Court upholds net netrality.
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/331368-federal-court-lets-net-neutrality-regulations-stand?amp
Thank goodness.
This was said many pages back:
Me Too!. I take solace in how much they've failed to enact these things right off the bat.
One thing that El Trumpo doesn't talk about anymore is suing the women who accused him of sexual harassment. I remember seeing a clip where he said he would do that in his first 100 days. Instead, I don't think he's mentioned it since. I'm glad that he didn't do it.
Hmm... Why do you think he didn't? Is it because the lawsuits may not have gone his way?
It feels weird that I root for a president to fail because their actions are so bad for the most vulnerable members of society (talking in general, not just in reference to the women that accused him).
edited 1st May '17 1:26:38 PM by BearyScary
Do not obey in advance.

Yeah, I think Obama got elected, largely on account of not being Bush and wanting to end the war in Iraq. In fact, I think Bush's failures influenced his own party quite a bit, too.
I'm not a Democrat (I like their immigration and economic policy, but I'm much more right-leaning on social issues), though I don't think it's accurate to say that they abandoned the working class or minorities. Particularly when compared to the GOP. Remember, the people only have to hate you less than the other guy.
Leviticus 19:34