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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#185851: May 1st 2017 at 7:30:37 AM

[up] That depends on the incarnations, especially with Spider-man who in most adaptations, is a hero to the public to the public but only a villain to the press.

Just give them a chance. Redemption is possible, and always is, no need to fall back on that chance to them.

edited 1st May '17 7:30:57 AM by Luigisan98

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#185853: May 1st 2017 at 7:35:01 AM

[up] As sgamer82 would say, Trump is treating the list of accusations against HRC as recommendations for how to act as President.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#185854: May 1st 2017 at 7:36:14 AM

It's almost like he was projecting all his opinions about government onto her.

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#185855: May 1st 2017 at 7:36:47 AM

[Alternet] Leading Historian Believes 'It's Pretty Much Inevitable' Trump Will Try to Stage a Coup and Overthrow Democracy. While it does sound a bit sensationalist, I have to admit I'm always worried it might happen.

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#185856: May 1st 2017 at 7:38:28 AM

And it's almost axiomatic that he will fail, because he is terrifyingly incompetent at everything he does.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#185857: May 1st 2017 at 7:39:21 AM

[up][up] It would be sensationalist if our POS POTUS hadn't just complained about the First Amendment.

edited 1st May '17 7:39:31 AM by M84

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#185858: May 1st 2017 at 7:40:16 AM

To play devil's advocate for a second, it's not like Trump is the only one to suggest restricting the first amendment more; Liberals bring it up all the time with increasing hate speech laws.

Not that this is actually advocating for the devil, because the latter would serve a legit purpose whereas Trump just wants to make it illegal to have anyone say anything bad about him, but the situation shouldn't be framed as if the issue is wanting to make the first amendment tighter: it's how and why he would like to do it.

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#185859: May 1st 2017 at 7:45:43 AM

[up][up][up][up] Pretty sure the Military would not be on board. I'm even sure that James "Mad Dog" Mattis, the current Secretary of Defense, would personally arrest/kill Trump himself if Trump tried to coup. And I don't think Trump is that stupid to try and do something like that, especially not in America.

Trump may be a terrible President, and a full blown moron, but let's not go crazy and say "Civil War 2 is coming!"

[up][up] Technically, that was Reince Priebus that said Trump was looking at amending the Constitution, we have no guarantee if that's what he's actually trying to do. We know he wants to change Libel statues to allow the President to sue News Corporations, but it was the News Reporter that said "He would have to Change the Constitution to do that". We don't even know if Trump would actually go through with changing Libel Suits, because he knows what News Organizations are saying isn't Libel, and if he did start suing News Corps into silence, he wouldn't have a boogie man to complain about.

edited 1st May '17 7:46:04 AM by DingoWalley1

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#185860: May 1st 2017 at 7:48:53 AM

Don't say that. They'll take it as a challenge. The white working class members of the GOP tent rival the civilians of the Marvel Universe for sheer Ungrateful Bastard-ness.

That's less GOP and more just people in general. What percentage of people do you think actually look in-depth into this stuff? If people have something good happens to them, they'll just assume it's because of the people they already believe and actually commented on it, without evidence. It's basic human nature. Calling it Ungrateful Bastard-ness is seems to be willfully ignoring that tidbit.

edited 1st May '17 7:49:36 AM by LSBK

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#185862: May 1st 2017 at 7:56:46 AM

To play devil's advocate for a second, it's not like Trump is the only one to suggest restricting the first amendment more; Liberals bring it up all the time with increasing hate speech laws.
I know you know this, but just for the record, the idea of freedom of speech is really part of a larger concept about the free flow of ideas in a society. Hate speech is a form of communication that attempts to shut down or exclude groups of people from this exchange of ideas, and is therefore antithetical to the process. Banning hate speech makes freedom of speech stronger, not weaker.

The original reason for its inclusion in the Bill of Rights, however, was to prevent the government from arresting people for criticizing it, something near and dear to the hearts of the founders as it's a staple practice of autocrats throughout history. Note that the Trumpenfuhrer specifically wants to be able to shut down the press for criticizing him, so one can see where this is going.

[down] Magic 8-ball says: "It's likely".

edited 1st May '17 8:10:16 AM by Fighteer

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Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#185863: May 1st 2017 at 7:59:08 AM

Speaking of Trump projecting, who else is worried that when he's either voted out or removed via impeachment, Donald Trump will do as he said Obama would and refuse to peacefully leave office?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#185864: May 1st 2017 at 8:00:44 AM

[up][up]Yes. My point was just that people make criticisms of the first amendment, of varying credibility, fairly often. The problem with Trump isn't that he has a criticism, it's how laughable and petty it is.

[up]I mean, he more or less admitted he wouldn't accept the results of the election if it was anything other than "I win". No reason to assume his position on that has or will change.

edited 1st May '17 8:03:52 AM by LSBK

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#185865: May 1st 2017 at 8:04:11 AM

[up] So, what's he gonna do when he loses his presidency?

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#185866: May 1st 2017 at 8:05:56 AM

Hell, what might happen if the GOP loses the House and/or the Senate in 2018? Will he just rant about how the GOP had it coming for not falling in line? Or will he "refuse" to accept the result at all?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#185867: May 1st 2017 at 8:06:52 AM

[up][up]Unfortunately, we shouldn't be assuming he will lose.

edited 1st May '17 8:08:01 AM by LSBK

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#185868: May 1st 2017 at 8:07:30 AM

I'll copy this thing I said two pages ago, because it was overlooked:

The thing with Freedom of Speech as a philosophical concept is that it is supposed to exist to guarantee good faith public debate about important issues. I would be willing to say propaganda, intimidation and hate speech are antithetical to the objectives of free speech because they attempt to bypass and/or suppress that kind of debate.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#185869: May 1st 2017 at 8:08:44 AM

I doubt Trump has any real plan to abolish the first amendment. More likely he just grumbled about how he would like to sue journalists without giving any thought to the implications or logistics of such a thing and had his grumblings "translated" by Priebus. Now that the possiblity has been put on the table, he's liable to seriously consider it, but he hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of actually accomplishing it. A politician too incompetent to unite his own party majority to do something they've been bitching about for the better part of a decade is not going to accomplish anything that controversial.

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#185870: May 1st 2017 at 8:10:23 AM

[up][up][up] Oh, so you're assuming he will become a dictator?!

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#185871: May 1st 2017 at 8:11:28 AM

[up][up] Trump says lots of things, most of them contradictory and all of them in some way displaying profound ignorance of how government in general, and our government in particular, works. The likelihood of anything he says making it into actual executive or legislative action is fairly small.

[up] He has all the hallmarks of someone who would attempt to become a dictator. Fortunately for the U.S., the right wing in this country appears so grossly inept at governing that they can't even elect a competent would-be autocrat. It's more a question of whether the media and the general populace "normalizes" him to the extent that he can actually get away with trying to usurp power. I really hope not, but I've been proven wrong about my fellow Americans before.

edited 1st May '17 8:13:17 AM by Fighteer

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#185872: May 1st 2017 at 8:13:28 AM

[up] I see.

What I meant is how he will act when he stops being president either in 2021 or 2025.

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#185873: May 1st 2017 at 8:13:56 AM

Hell, what might happen if the GOP loses the House and/or the Senate in 2018? Will he just rant about how the GOP had it coming for not falling in line? Or will he "refuse" to accept the result at all?

A little of Column A, a little of Column B, but I suspect that ultimately he will have to accept a Democrat Controlled House (The Senate seems like it will be harder to flip).

My major worry is that he might try to delay or suspend the 2018 Elections, and then delay or suspend his re-election. Knowing Trump, he might actually do it, and then go back and say "No, the Election is still set for Date X, I never delayed it"...

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#185874: May 1st 2017 at 8:14:17 AM

[up][up]He said nothing of the sort, only that we shouldn't get complacent and assume that his present-day unpopularity will translate to a Democratic victory in 2020. The Democrats are legendary for pulling defeat from the jaws of victory.

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#185875: May 1st 2017 at 8:14:23 AM

[up][up][up]He may throw a tantrum, but come January, he'd better be packed and out of there, or the Secret Service will toss him out on his fat behind.

edited 1st May '17 8:14:37 AM by Fighteer

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