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JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#185576: Apr 28th 2017 at 6:36:21 PM

[up] Oddly enough, I wish the draft would come back. I think people are more likely to pay attention if they realize their ass is on the line. It's almost a good thing the Republicans are taking another stab at the ACA repeal- I don't want them to win, but the more people they threaten, the better.

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#185577: Apr 28th 2017 at 6:36:26 PM

[up][up] Be that as it may, we underestimated Trump's support before. We can't make that mistake again. Not now. Not ever.

Better to overreact now and laugh about it later, than to dismiss this now and pay the price for hubris.

edited 28th Apr '17 6:36:56 PM by TrashJack

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#185578: Apr 28th 2017 at 6:39:31 PM

[up]Surely there are more options than "ignore it" or "overreact"?

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#185579: Apr 28th 2017 at 6:42:13 PM

Nobody is saying it does but it does dictate what trends and environment you'll be exposed to.

No. It doesn’t.

Socioeconomic standings and familial history help you understand more what sort of political leanings people will have. Loads more people vote Republican because their fathers and their father’s fathers voted republican and their whole community has voted republican and the community’s fathers and grandfathers voted republican than not.

Generational group studies really took off when understanding the impact of Baby Boomers. They had an enormous impact economically speaking (A positive one as they will NEVER EVER LET YOU FORGET) because they were numerically speaking larger than no generation that had ever come before.

Their impact was huge, and this coupled with the impact of world war 2, the world political relevance of the U.S, The Vietnam War and the Cold War, the generation was uniformly exposed to the same stimuli: The hyper patriotic jingoistic governments of that time, the counter revolutionary culture, the polarizing notions that these implied. And a culturally isolationist movement.

Remember these were times where you didn’t have the internet. The only perspective people had while growing up was their country’s. Their community.

Skip ahead few years, and this thing is not thus. Communication has evolved too fast, too wide for generations to have much meaning anymore (not saying it doesn’t, but they are not much compared to the boomers). You show the “Duck and Cover” video in class and students will come next day making memes about their school showing them old ass stuff before returning to talk about dicks and boobies on Facebook.

You showed the video back in the baby boomer gen and it’s all they had to talk about (other than the war or how great ‘merica was).

Now, I need to point out that I am aware that exit polls in stuff like the Brexit or the past U.S Presidential election showed that age was the most accurate predictor in what people voted for. But I’d like to bring up that even then, about 45% of the Age Eligible voters in the U.S didn’t vote at all. And this has been the case for pretty much the majority of elections. Worldwide.

Fact is most people, generation or not, don’t tend to vote. You ask an old person who they voted for they’d most likely shrug, not say “Donald Trump”. Age and generation, with the one exception of the baby boomers, are much less useful to predict stuff from alone when you have a better chance to predict if a person will prefer Duck Dynasty or Game of Thrones based on Socioeconomic and Educational standings.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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A procrastination in of itself
#185580: Apr 28th 2017 at 6:56:01 PM

exit polls in stuff like the Brexit or the past U.S Presidential election showed that age was the most accurate predictor in what people voted for.

Actually education levels was the main factor, now younger generations have higher levels of education (and education at higher levels) so age does become a factor and it certain maters independently as well, but it's not the key identifiable factor.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#185581: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:02:45 PM

I love laughtvism (Undermining and demystifying the authority and appeal of authoritarian regimes with laughter).

Tutu Protests And Parties Break Out In Wyoming Over Senator's Remark

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/04/28/526073329/tutu-protests-and-parties-break-out-in-wyoming-over-senators-remark?

Laughtivism: https://pcdnetwork.org/blogs/blueprint-for-revolution-why-hobbits-and-humour-work-better-than-violence-by-katrina-kilkenny/

edited 28th Apr '17 7:04:10 PM by megaeliz

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#185582: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:03:44 PM

Here's the thing: Are people with more age less educated because of poor access to education then? Or are people with more age less educated because education had less prominence back then?

Either question is sufficient to throw shade into the idea that old age itself is the predicting factor to education, but other socioeconomic environment that is not quite in their control.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#185583: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:05:46 PM

Oddly enough, I wish the draft would come back. I think people are more likely to pay attention if they realize their ass is on the line.
One article expanding on that article is posted here.

Surely there are more options than "ignore it" or "overreact"?
Well, there's still "underreact", but getting it just right is a small target in comparison with the infinity of everything else. If one wants to minimize risk, go all out (as far as resources allow). And tis hard to know what's too low for the nation anymore. note 

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
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Face me now, bitch!
#185584: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:06:56 PM

Found this on the internet:

Just needs the lead singer of Nickelback. tongue

Watch Symphogear
FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#185585: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:10:43 PM

[up] The emo wig and eyeliner are an improvement.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#185586: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:12:48 PM

[up] My grandma once told me she found him sort of attractive, although the hair could use a bit of work. Try as I might I just can't seem to forget that.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#185588: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:49:34 PM

Referring back to the draft: Uhm... one, there would be a huge rebellion at forced service. It's part of the reason that it's not mandatory like it is in some other countries. Two, the draft is only used when you literally need more bodies than are being volunteered. In our recent wars, in part due to the military looking like a sweet deal to many on the lower income spectrum, and in part due to a lot of technological advancements, have just not needed as many of our people. Wanting the draft to come back, for any reason, is kind of unrealistic in light of these considerations. And quite frankly, a war bad enough the draft gets used again isn't going to be good for anyone.

Also, I'm completely failing to see how "draft is an issue" equals "more teenagers paying attention" and, more importantly, "voting for the Democrats".

edited 28th Apr '17 7:50:54 PM by AceofSpades

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#185589: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:56:32 PM

With regards to Milo:

The highest profile "ventures" he's had outside of Breitbart, the Kernel and the Privilege Grant, both crashed and burned because he took all of the money given for both and ran.

I suspect that in addition to underestimating the intelligence of Gen Z, Milo's willingness to not commit affinity fraud is being overstated as well.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#185590: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:08:09 PM

I think it was said earlier, but one thing to remember about kids (as in, anyone still in high school or below) is that many of them don't really have any real world experience. They know what their parents believe, but, to be completely blunt, school is terrible at preparing people for how the world works.

Entering college, university or the workforce tends to be the point when the worldview is challenged and changed. If it isn't, if the worldview stays exactly the same as before, that's when something's gone wrong.

Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#185591: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:27:56 PM

^^^ All that being said, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to some form of mandatory civil service. It could only do well for every citizen to have to gain some first hand experience with how the government actually works.

edited 28th Apr '17 8:28:03 PM by Wryte

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#185592: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:31:47 PM

Idle thought: Maybe Presidents should have to go through Basic Combat Training in order to gain an appreciation for and understanding of the military they're about to become Commander-in-Chief of.

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CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#185593: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:32:23 PM

[up] x 5 Hard to disagree, but we can copy [up] x 2 straight from Germany.

Learning from Pepsi Heineken’s new politically charged ad takes on social issues in ways Pepsi didn’t

A new Heineken ad aimed at proving people worlds apart can still come together despite their opposing views on social issues such as transgender rights, feminism and climate change has people calling it the “anti-Pepsi approach.”

The ad brings together six complete strangers and pairs them off, each unaware of their partners’ opposing views on a range of social issues.

In the commercial, each pair is instructed to build a bar together while talking to each other about themselves.

Once the bar is completed, Heineken reveals videos of each individual voicing their ideological beliefs on issues of feminism, transgender rights and climate change.

Then, they’re all given a choice: to leave or stay and discuss their differences over — you guessed it — a beer.

All three pairs end up staying and talking through their differences — a climate change denier and believer; a transgender former soldier and transphobic man; a feminist and member of “the new right.”

The ad has received quite a lot of praise online, especially after Pepsi’s infamous gaffe with Kendall Jenner.

And so it is proven beyond reasonable doubt. Officially, everything is political. I feel rather good about this kind of thing actually. Collective soul-searching. Though walking the streets of Atlanta, I couldn't find a single soul who felt bad for Pepsi. Nope, no sympathy here either.

Facebook gearing up to fight political propaganda

edited 28th Apr '17 8:44:45 PM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#185594: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:38:18 PM

David Frum, former Bush Jr speechwriter and current senior editor of the Atlantic goes to town on Trump's "I didn't know it'd be hard" remarks with an impressive Twitter rant.

http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/04/28/trump-just-whined-hard-job-bushs-speechwriters-response-epic/

Occupy Democrats wasn't my first choice to link, but it seemed easiest as it has pics of many of the tweets.

FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#185595: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:45:10 PM

[up][up] I don't, because I've been trying to find some ways to get away from politics for a while now due to most of them either driving me crazy or making me depressed.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#185596: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:46:21 PM

Politics is everywhere. Even taking a "non-political" stance or attitude is political.

Oh really when?
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#185597: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:52:18 PM

[up] Atheists think of the gods all the time, albeit in terms of denial — Feet Of Clay

FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#185598: Apr 28th 2017 at 9:48:21 PM

Angry Southerners go after a brewery in Missouri because of their offer to destroy a Confederate monument: http://www.riverfronttimes.com/foodblog/2017/04/28/the-south-rises-again-to-give-earthbound-brewery-one-star-reviews

edited 28th Apr '17 9:48:38 PM by FireCrawler2002

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#185599: Apr 28th 2017 at 9:53:21 PM

People love their racist slaveowners that much?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#185600: Apr 28th 2017 at 9:58:13 PM

[up] "Southern pride, heritage, Lost Cause..."

Disgusted, but not surprised

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