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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#185376: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:58:07 AM

[up] Gee, I wonder why.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#185377: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:59:40 AM

[up][up] It won't be for long, and again, it doesn't represent all of the USA.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#185378: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:59:46 AM

The resistance school actually will have a webinar next week on how to sustain the movement and make lasting change.

Readings: https://www.resistanceschool.com/readings-week-four/

edited 28th Apr '17 8:02:44 AM by megaeliz

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#185379: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:10:19 AM

I find it funny that the more control the GOP gets over the government, the less united they get.

The GOP wanted nothing more than for Obama to go away, but now they can't seem to cope in a world where they can't use him as a scapegoat.

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#185380: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:20:00 AM

[up]That was more or less true with the Demorcats as well when they had a super majority in Obama's first years, with the Blue Dogs siding with Republicans on varies things like the ACA and such.

Of course, the Dems were nowhere near as dysfunctional then as the Republicans are now, but it's easy to forget that both parties have their factions with their own independent interest.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#185381: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:21:47 AM

[up]Then the question becomes, how do we not fall in the same trap as the republicans? I think we have to have something to stand for and work towards. Then we have a goal. And that goal can not just be get Trump out. Because then what?

edited 28th Apr '17 8:26:27 AM by megaeliz

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#185382: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:28:29 AM

Re every post in this thread comparing "centrist" to "progressive" democrats.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#185384: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:29:25 AM

That is a contradiction in terms, which they thrive off of.

edited 28th Apr '17 8:30:05 AM by megaeliz

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#185385: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:34:04 AM

"I dont think that word means what you think it does"

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#185386: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:35:47 AM

[up]Trump not knowing just what the hell he's talking about? Inconceivable!

edited 28th Apr '17 8:36:35 AM by kkhohoho

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#185387: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:36:18 AM

[up]x4 So, is he a Global Nationalist, or a National Globalist?tongue

[up]x3 There are tons of Political Movements that are complete opposites mashed together in weird ways. Like Socialist Anarchy, Christian Communism, Non-Sovereign Monarchy, etc. Global Nationalism (or National Globalism) would be just one of those movements.

Either way, this will scare off a lot of Trump's supporters who were against Globalism (and "Globalism").

edited 28th Apr '17 8:36:47 AM by DingoWalley1

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#185388: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:37:38 AM

Alex Jones is gonna freak when he hears Papa Trump is a globalist.

Need some popcorn.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#185389: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:41:02 AM

A lot of actual globalists are face palming themselves right now.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#185390: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:41:45 AM

[up][up] Neither Socialist Anarchy or Christian Communism are very weird. Socialism is the workers owning the means of production and anarchy is the replacement of hierarchy with local direct democracy (more or less) so combining the two is hardly contradictory.

And Communism is simply an ideology that advocates for reaching the stateless, classless Utopia of Communism, thus being Christian while advocating for that isn't impossible.

edited 28th Apr '17 8:43:32 AM by Fourthspartan56

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#185391: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:47:21 AM

[up]Communism is generally assumed to have a secular/atheist bent due to what Marxist wrote about religion in the manifesto. It's hard to divorce Communism from Marx so it's understandable that Christian Communism may seem like a contradiction.

Socialist Anarchy on the other hand is really not that strange at all since that is ultimately the end goal of Marxism and Anarcho-Syndicalism.

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#185392: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:49:11 AM

Didn't Marx actually say religion was necessary for the average worker to go through the day? (often quoted out-of-context to mean it's just a mass-brainwashing tool)

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#185393: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:49:11 AM

[up][up] Fair enough on the Communism point.

edited 28th Apr '17 8:49:22 AM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#185394: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:50:56 AM

So, is he a Global Nationalist, or a National Globalist?

I just think he's an idiot.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#185395: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:53:31 AM

I can't be surprised at this. That talk with the Chinese President seems to have rattled him. I suspect it consisted mostly of him learning Geopolitics 101 from the person who might just be the most fit man on Earth to teach Trump: Kim Jong-Un's babysitter.

Trump isn't the first President to do an about face on a populist ideal once he entered office. This happened with Obama and surveillance too. He campaigned on less surveillance, got into office, and started raising surveillance. At the time, people were livid, ranting about how Obama had lied and was a traitor to his principles and stuff.

But what it boils down to is that, holy shit you guys, being President is really, really hard. There's a lot of stuff that the common person just doesn't know about the job. On the campaign trail, you get to say whatever you want because you don't need to actually care about the logistics of making it work. As we've discussed, that's why Bernie's so beloved: he gets to make wild promises without having to figure out how they could be carried out.

But once you're sitting in that chair, suddenly you're learning all these things you never knew before and having to face the ugly reality of them. You don't get to just go, "We're gonna make a better plan than Obamacare." You have to actually figure out what that means. You have to do the politicking of getting it through. You don't get the luxury of simply having opinions anymore; you need to have plans.

Washington changes people. By the nature of the job, dreamers are forced to become pragmatists. Trump entered the office as a dreamer. He still desperately wants to be. But the longer he spends there, the more he discovers how little he actually knows.

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#185396: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:53:50 AM

I'm guessing that Trump really wants to be part of the global elite, but he's surrounded by people who say that nationalism is good. So he assumes being both is better.

I highly doubt he's aware of the "globalist" dogwhistle.

There is one thing I'll say about the Chinese president. While he's borderline authoritarian and is in control of a deeply scary regime, I'm pretty sure that he actually does genuinely care about China. Maybe not individual people, but the country and culture as a whole, yes.

edited 28th Apr '17 8:56:08 AM by Zendervai

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#185397: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:56:27 AM

What Trump wants is a pat on the back for making "right" decisions. He's trying to find the Victory Condition. The decision so right, so indisputably correct, that it makes the whole nation drop to our knees and praise his wise and gracious choices.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#185398: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:57:15 AM

[up] The closest he got to that was not signing TPP. And even that was met with detractors.

edited 28th Apr '17 8:57:34 AM by M84

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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#185399: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:58:46 AM

[up][up]Abdicating?

edited 28th Apr '17 8:58:54 AM by Medinoc

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#185400: Apr 28th 2017 at 9:00:41 AM

[up][up][up][up]I agree with the rest of your comment but Xi is not a borderline authoritarian, he rules a thoroughly authoritarian state so I would say he is unquestionably an authoritarian. Just a minor question of terminology.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang

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