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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#185326: Apr 28th 2017 at 1:31:18 AM

So I'm late to that particular conversation because us Europeans need to sleep too, but I think part of the current left divide is two different approaches to 'fixing' or mitigating a race/class divide.

To me, it's arbitrary. They're all sub-divisions of a vague universal caste system in the US that involves gender, economic class, race and sexuality. They're all linked.

Ideally, you'd want to help everyone so that involves a progressive socio-economic platform but we don't have many Democrats with such a platform. So some Dems will only tackle specific parts of it and pay lip service to others.

But I guess, you have to decide which of those sub-divisions are the most in need of help and prioritize. And everyone has different priorities.

I mean you're right that those who prioritize economic justice can come off as tone-deaf to minorities but those who prioritize social justice can also alienate a lot of low income white people because they feel they're being ignored.

edited 28th Apr '17 1:33:02 AM by MadSkillz

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#185327: Apr 28th 2017 at 1:43:06 AM

[up] I think that's a fair reading.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#185329: Apr 28th 2017 at 3:40:16 AM

[up] Hope in 20 years, the system is reformed long enough to make sure idiots like Trump regain power once more.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#185330: Apr 28th 2017 at 3:41:12 AM

Those, and threatening to terminate the South Korean missile defense deal while in the middle of escalating tensions with North Korea, seems like pretty good basis for screaming externally.

Oh, and here's another highlight:

ON MIDDLE EAST PEACE AND POSSIBLE TRIP TO ISRAEL, SAUDI ARABIA

"It's a possibility, we're talking to both. It's a possibility, but I want to see peace with Israel and the Palestinians. There is no reason there's not peace between Israel and the Palestinians - none whatsoever. So we're looking at that and we're also looking at the potential of going to Saudi Arabia."

Well, no wonder he passed it off to Kushner. Peace in the Middle East? Piece of cake!

edited 28th Apr '17 3:45:34 AM by Eschaton

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#185331: Apr 28th 2017 at 3:58:55 AM

The Republicans still don't have the votes for Trumpcare 3.0. I guess the fact that they're so divided, is our saving grace.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/330966-new-obamacare-repeal-bill-on-life-support?amp

You know how everyone speculated that Trump is in way over his head and has no idea what he's doing? Well you were right.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/04/28/politics/donald-trump-president-easier/index.html

edited 28th Apr '17 4:16:43 AM by megaeliz

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#185332: Apr 28th 2017 at 4:25:35 AM

[up][up].....<despaired german screaming into the void>

"You can reply to this Message!"
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#185333: Apr 28th 2017 at 4:34:30 AM

Well I foresee heart attacks and missile strikes in the future with a dash of World War and a Pinch of Doomsday...

Why isn't "being a walking threat of the apocalypse personified" grounds for impeachment again?

edited 28th Apr '17 4:35:23 AM by MorningStar1337

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#185334: Apr 28th 2017 at 4:37:34 AM

[up]The Religious Right would probably welcome Judgement Day...

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#185335: Apr 28th 2017 at 4:41:25 AM

[up] As I mentioned before I frequent FSTDT, but I'm certain as hell that the people who actually want to live vastly outnumber the likes of Rapture Ready.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#185336: Apr 28th 2017 at 4:41:44 AM

The same incompetence keeping him from being more of a nightmare on the domestic front means he is even more of a nightmare on the foreign policy front.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#185337: Apr 28th 2017 at 4:54:32 AM

I can count on one great political leader who made half-assing everything into a coherent policy, and Trump is no Virgin Queen.

EDIT: Pagetopper. Was responding to the comment on Trump's incompetence creating a disastrous foreign policy.

edited 28th Apr '17 4:55:02 AM by Ramidel

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#185338: Apr 28th 2017 at 5:42:55 AM

Since I've been following the Alex Jones/Chobani thing, and I think this topic was brought up when I posted updates, I found a story on my feed confirming Alex Jones has lost custody of this children.

http://www.statesman.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/verdict-wife-alex-jones-wins-joint-custody-after-bitter-trial/gsbA2MrX3pSmoEsexz7oeL/

[down] Lost primary custody, if you want to get specific.

edited 28th Apr '17 5:54:47 AM by sgamer82

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#185339: Apr 28th 2017 at 5:45:00 AM

How does joint custody = lost custody?

Justice Department is widening investigation into Fox News

And since this happened under a Republican president, they can't claim political persecution. [lol][lol][lol]

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#185340: Apr 28th 2017 at 5:48:58 AM

[up][up]Good. But, I can't imagine for a minute he makes for anything like stability, even with joint custody. :/

Don't think the kids have won, but they were in a difficult set-up from the get-go. <_<

edited 28th Apr '17 5:52:03 AM by Euodiachloris

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#185342: Apr 28th 2017 at 5:56:28 AM

[up] Yup. Reuters is usually reliable and this has come up a couple times in our rapidly changing thread.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#185344: Apr 28th 2017 at 6:32:25 AM

Are you unclear about the definition of the term "poison pill" or about what, specifically, in the GOP budget constitutes poison pills for the Democrats?

edited 28th Apr '17 6:32:43 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#185345: Apr 28th 2017 at 6:33:57 AM

[up] Both, can guess, but it is a strange expression.

edited 28th Apr '17 6:34:39 AM by megaeliz

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#185346: Apr 28th 2017 at 6:34:49 AM

My understanding of the definition is that poison pills are additions to a bill that are placed to guarantee it won't pass

More exactly, it's meant to ensure one side or the other opposes what, on the surface, seems like a good or even necessary bill, such as a temporary spending measure to avoid a government shutdown, because most people aren't going to pay attention to the devil in the details.

edited 28th Apr '17 6:48:34 AM by sgamer82

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#185347: Apr 28th 2017 at 6:34:50 AM

Re: That Reuters article:

"More than five months after his victory and two days shy of the 100-day mark of his presidency, the election is still on Trump's mind. Midway through a discussion about Chinese President Xi Jinping, the president paused to hand out copies of what he said were the latest figures from the 2016 electoral map."

Wow, just wow...this is truly the fragilest ego.

edited 28th Apr '17 6:35:21 AM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#185348: Apr 28th 2017 at 6:36:08 AM

[up] So I guess we can call the election a draw, we lose it yet they believe they haven't won it yet.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#185349: Apr 28th 2017 at 6:38:15 AM

@megaeliz: A "poison pill" is a provision in a bill, contract, or other proposal that guarantees that at least one of the parties involved will not or cannot endorse it. Its origin is in corporate buyouts, when a corporation threatened with a hostile takeover would create something called a "shareholder rights plan", allowing existing shareholders to purchase discounted stock if any one shareholder acquired more than 20 percent of the corporation. This would both dilute the stock price and massively increase the cost of the buyout, making the purchase less attractive.

Since then the term has spread to other areas, like politics.

edited 28th Apr '17 6:43:38 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#185350: Apr 28th 2017 at 6:41:19 AM

They need democratic votes. How is that averting a government shutdown?


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