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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#185101: Apr 27th 2017 at 5:21:11 AM

[up]...We still have dignity? Why was I not informed?
As long as there's at least one state that proudly flips the bird to Trump's BS in every way possible to them (I'm looking at you, California), the nation of the USA will still have a bit of dignity left.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#185102: Apr 27th 2017 at 5:39:18 AM

And another reason to hope: Trump's election has actually caused many states to ramp up their renewable energy targets, and most attacks have failed.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/24032017/renewable-energy-clean-energy-solar-wind-power-states-climate-change

edited 27th Apr '17 6:13:05 AM by megaeliz

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#185103: Apr 27th 2017 at 5:44:52 AM

It's funny to think that we as a nation are so contrarian that we start going Green as soon as a climate change denier is in charge of environmental protection.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#185104: Apr 27th 2017 at 5:50:51 AM

Another reason to hope. Everything we have done in the last 100 days to demonstrate the true principals of American democracy.

https://www.aclu.org/feature/100-days-resistance?redirect=100-days-resistance

Patagonia threatens to sue Trump over national monuments order.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/330788-patagonia-threatens-to-sue-trump-over-national-monuments?amp

edited 27th Apr '17 6:49:27 AM by megaeliz

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#185105: Apr 27th 2017 at 6:47:34 AM

The Orange House lets the Pentagon adjust troop levels in Iraq and Afghanistan themselves.

Carl von Clausewitz? Never heard of him.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#185106: Apr 27th 2017 at 6:50:16 AM

And please tell the EPA that you are opposed to rolling back regulations. It is vital that they don't as they help protect our environment and public health.

https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=EPA-HQ-OA-2017-0190

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#185107: Apr 27th 2017 at 6:57:03 AM

Chobani lawsuit against InfoWars: Standing up for the truth about Idaho and company

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/letters-from-the-west/article146994439.html

More of an editorial, but the latest on the InfoWars/Chobani situation. Interestingly, if reading correctly, the Republican governor and Idaho Falls representative seem to be lining behind Chobani's owner

edited 27th Apr '17 6:57:35 AM by sgamer82

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#185108: Apr 27th 2017 at 7:10:15 AM

[up][up][up] What does Clausewitz have to do with that?

edited 27th Apr '17 7:10:29 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#185109: Apr 27th 2017 at 7:10:40 AM

[up][up]Probably because Chobani is a big company and Infowars is a dressed up blog. If you're being pragmatic, lining up behind the huge company makes more sense, especially if the blog constantly spits out bizarre conspiracy theories.

edited 27th Apr '17 7:10:55 AM by Zendervai

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#185110: Apr 27th 2017 at 7:18:39 AM

And big companies tend to have rather effective teams of lawyers on the payroll.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#185111: Apr 27th 2017 at 7:19:40 AM

[up][up][up] One of the things Clausewitz stresses a lot in Vom Krieg is that letting the military essentially 'run itself' is pointless, because only civilian leaders can set the strategic results that the military can achieve. In a situation where the military can entirely govern its own affairs, there are no strategic aims, and thus the war, by definition, cannot be won.

Put differently, the politician is the means by which tactical and operational victory becomes strategic gains. Without that translation, you can fight all you want, but you'll never win a conflict.

(Paraphrasing somewhat - it's a bigger argument about the role of war in policy and politics, but it's part of the essential point.)

edited 27th Apr '17 7:31:17 AM by math792d

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#185112: Apr 27th 2017 at 7:36:34 AM

I'll just say what I said here: "...The problem with our political system isnt the corruption of individual politicians, it's with the system itself... When we say "Money out of Politics" we are saying that it's the money which is the problem, not corrupt individuals in office (were that the case, we could just vote them out and problem solved).
I don't think anyone here is actually arguing that the level of money in politics is a good thing. Most of us really hate things like the Citizen's United decision and would be very happy to see reforms in that area.

What we're arguing against is Mad Skillz's insistence that centrist-by-his-standards politicians like Obama and Clinton are evilbadwrong Wall Street stooges, while acceptable-to-him politicians like Sanders and Warren are heroic outsiders fighting the good fight.

Speaking of, back from this post (a response to my post here):

That's how you should view politicians because of the way our system works. They are all to some degree compromised because they are being funded by corporations with agendas. Always look at who finances their campaigns and then look at the bills they push and write and the rhetoric they use.
My point is that all you need to do is the last part. Look at the bills they support and the rhetoric they use and the policies they push, yes, absolutely. Because that's all that matters. I don't give a damn who funds which candidate — I care about that candidate's positions. If someone's a Wall Street stooge, then you should be able to tell from their positions. If someone's an NRA puppet, you should be able to tell from their positions. If someone's a pure and virtuous left-wing liberal progressive crusader, you should be able to tell from their positions.

Complaining because candidate X takes money from organization Y is pure guilt by association. It doesn't mean anything. Funding proves nothing, positions actually taken proves everything.

You spend an enormous amount of time looking at people's associations and very little looking at their actual positions. You think Obama was too soft on Wall Street? That's fine. That's a reasonable position to hold. We can debate the interplay of policy priorities (what you want to accomplish), realpolitik (what you can accomplish), and legislative savvy (how closely your results match your intentions) all you like. There are reasonable discussions to be had there, even if we don't agree.

But going "WALL STREET MONEY! CORPORATE PUPPET! EVILBADWRONG!!" just by pointing at some campaign contributions adds nothing to the conversation and reeks of arbitrary purity tests.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#185114: Apr 27th 2017 at 8:01:07 AM

^^ Especially when you then turn around and excuse similar behavior from Sanders.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#185115: Apr 27th 2017 at 8:04:35 AM

[up][up]

Well...this is awkward.

o.o

New Survey coming this weekend!
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#185116: Apr 27th 2017 at 8:09:06 AM

Quickly changes topic

Donald Trump is on a twitter rant today. It's incohearently blaming the democrats for everything. I don't think he was expecting this presidenting thing to be so hard

I particularly like this one for it's Politics! Interjection at the end.

"I promise to rebuild our military and secure our border. Democrats want to shut down the government. Politics!"

3 out of 7 end with a one word exclaimation point.

edited 27th Apr '17 8:14:52 AM by megaeliz

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#185117: Apr 27th 2017 at 8:24:42 AM

[up]I imagine that some of his tweets tomorrow or Saturday might end up being glorified copy-pasta's.

"I promised to rebuild our military and secure our border. Democrats just shut down the government. Politics!"

edited 27th Apr '17 8:31:57 AM by kkhohoho

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#185118: Apr 27th 2017 at 8:27:47 AM

This most of them were just stupid, but this one made me mad.

"As families prepare for summer vacations in our National Parks - Democrats threaten to close them and shut down the government. Terrible!"

Don't pretend you care. http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/330548-trump-orders-review-of-national-monument-sites?amp

edited 27th Apr '17 8:30:34 AM by megaeliz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#185119: Apr 27th 2017 at 8:30:22 AM

His own fucking party has a majority in Congress. If he can't get shit done even with an advantage like that...

Maybe if he spent more time in the Oval Office and less time on the golf course...

[up]If it were up to him, there won't be any parks left for families to visit. Oh wait, it is up to him. Shit.

edited 27th Apr '17 8:31:21 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#185120: Apr 27th 2017 at 8:32:14 AM

Honestly be glad they are as incompetent as they are. Imagine if they were actually competent.

edited 27th Apr '17 8:34:01 AM by megaeliz

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#185121: Apr 27th 2017 at 8:40:11 AM

A competent machine driven by Trump and the GOP would do incalculable damage, and probably destroy the country. The fact that American conservatives are legendarily stupid is probably our strongest lifeline — there's always a way back when the enemy knows nothing.

edited 27th Apr '17 8:41:50 AM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#185122: Apr 27th 2017 at 8:40:48 AM

Why does Trump keep taking vacations so frequently, BTW?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#185123: Apr 27th 2017 at 8:41:43 AM

[up] Because he's a lazy and kleptocratic fuck who likes spending weekends (and taxpayer money) shirking work to make clandestine deals at his resort.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#185124: Apr 27th 2017 at 8:42:10 AM

Because Trump is lazy.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#185125: Apr 27th 2017 at 8:42:47 AM

Since we're on the topic of Twitter: Adam Schiff was on Conan the other night. Mostly he talked about his role in the Russian investigation, but towards the end of the interview he made a request to Ivanka, Melania, Jared, etc.: Take away Trump's Twitter privileges.

Seriously, if Twitter isn't going to ban him for posting inflammatory material that causes stocks to rise and fall at a moment's notice, his own family members could take him to task.

Hell, he could use it to his advantage. He could be asked about his sudden halt of using Twitter and be like, "I have more important things to do, like MAGA!"


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