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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#185027: Apr 26th 2017 at 6:44:14 PM

@Snake The first thing you have to ask yourself is what was Wall Street's agenda for funding Obama? I mean I think it's obviously it's to buy influence.

Did they succeed? I say yes, you seem to think no.

Besides I call anyone that received the most Wall Street money during a campaign as Wall Street's candidate. I've said the same things about Hillary and Mitt.

I'm mostly arguing in the macrosense. It's systemic corruption.

Anyways I put some evidence down here.

Because they want him to be President. When someone says "wall Street gives him money" what they really mean is "people who work in Wall Street donated to him." Big high level execs, receptionists and janitors get lumped under that. But why do they donate? They want him to be President, maybe? They thought he could fix things better than his opponent? They think he's a foregone conclusion and want to ingratiate themselves? There's a lot of reasons, but none of it changes Obama wasn't exactly their darling. They hated the regulations and chafed at the CFPB.

In addition, Wall Street tends to appreciate stable markets. This can be easier when Trump and Obama and not a short-tempered 'maverick' with Sarah Palin one heartbeat from the Presidency.

As far as I'm concerned, nothing reflects Obama 'selling out' to Wallstreet. What matters is what others do to justify the donations at the end. And Obama did pick people high up in the finance industry...because a lot of them understood how those issues work. Tim Geithner isn't the most likable guy, but he was a good Treasury Secretary and understood exactly how to run his department.

We were looking at a second Great Depression. What Taibbi leaves out is the TARP money came with conditions and a great deal of it was recovered. I like Taibbi, but he has severe biases.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#185028: Apr 26th 2017 at 6:44:26 PM

> Wall Street's agenda for funding Obama

There you go with lumping it into a monolithic entity again.

Business does not have a single interest. It has a lot of different interests and a lot of them compete with each other's.

I'm not denying a lot of Wall Street-aligned interests donated but the rhetoric is terrible. Business interests come in as many partisan shades as people do.

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#185029: Apr 26th 2017 at 6:47:39 PM

[up][up][up]There's no harm in letting the guy try. Long odds against him anyway.

edited 26th Apr '17 6:47:52 PM by TheRoguePenguin

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#185030: Apr 26th 2017 at 6:48:15 PM

It's not like Pelosi's got a vulnerable seat. I don't have as much an issue with this.

But in all likelihood, this guy will crash and burn.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#185031: Apr 26th 2017 at 6:49:09 PM

People defending Obama: That's because your camp decided that the best way of rebounding from inadvertently declaring that women's reproductive rights are a non-issue is this. Refunds not accepted.

EDIT: And are corporate interests mutually exclusive with those of the Great White Man common man by their very nature?

edited 26th Apr '17 6:50:15 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#185032: Apr 26th 2017 at 6:54:08 PM

[up][up]It still annoys the hell out of me. Priorities, people.

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#185035: Apr 26th 2017 at 6:59:06 PM

[up][up]If that is indeed the bone reinforcement he claims it is... what do you have to do in order to get those to become an infection risk years after they are inserted?

Ivanka Trump wants to start a foundation to benefit female entrepreneurs of the world. While still in the White House.

In true Trump fashion, details are vague.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#185036: Apr 26th 2017 at 6:59:40 PM

Unfortunately, there's a lot of other issues they'll side with him on.

Especially with Neil "let's let a state kill the disabled black guy even though his judge was sleeping with the prosecutor"Gorsuch now on court.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#185037: Apr 26th 2017 at 7:01:04 PM

And a Sanders fanboy is trying to primary Pelosi. Because that's what we need.

I'm conflicted. I'd vote for him if he was in my district but Pelosi makes my state's voice more important. You're not going to see a Republican win Pelosi's seat so I'm fine with it. Not sure who I'd want to win. California has enough Berniecrats where one more won't make too much of a difference.

There you go with lumping it into a monolithic entity again. Business does not have a single interest. It has a lot of different interests and a lot of them compete with each other's. I'm not denying a lot of Wall Street-aligned interests donated but the rhetoric is terrible. Business interests come in as many partisan shades as people do.

Because it's easier to say Wall Street than naming every individual bank and firm that donated to Obama like Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs and the rest.

Business does have the same primary interest. Survive, thrive and make money.

edited 26th Apr '17 7:03:12 PM by MadSkillz

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#185038: Apr 26th 2017 at 7:01:25 PM

[up][up][up]I'd say "remind me not to donate to it" but that was never a risk.

edited 26th Apr '17 7:01:45 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#185039: Apr 26th 2017 at 7:07:39 PM

[up][up]It is important to call out because "Wall Street" is a common and convenient rhetorical boogieman on par with "think of the children!" and could conceivably cover every publicly traded company that does business in the US. I would be satisfied with "multiple Wall Street investment banking companies" or a similar construct phrase.

And yes, profit motive, but how they go after it and how well they deal with "externialities" (the effect on non-shareholder stakeholders) varies from company to company.

edited 26th Apr '17 7:08:36 PM by Elle

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#185041: Apr 26th 2017 at 7:11:18 PM

He has that magic (R) next to his name

New Survey coming this weekend!
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#185042: Apr 26th 2017 at 7:12:14 PM

I feel like anything the Trumps do, even if it's a foundation, comes with a catch.

Is it just me, or does Trump never really talk about conservatism? The most I can recall is him talking about Reagan on the campaign trail.

Do not obey in advance.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#185043: Apr 26th 2017 at 7:13:29 PM

Suspended for alleged defiance of the Supreme Court? Looks like he might just have an ace in the hole.

Wall Street ranting: I wonder what would happen if you subbed the name of some other group for "Wall Street". Should be fun for the whole family.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#185044: Apr 26th 2017 at 7:16:26 PM

[up] Krieger, if you want to call her an anti-semite, don't dance around it, and please provide actual evidence to support that claim.

edited 26th Apr '17 7:16:38 PM by CaptainCapsase

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#185045: Apr 26th 2017 at 7:18:26 PM

Trump is not a conservative beyond what he will pay lip service to to gain support. It is folly to attach any named ideology to him beyond narcicisim. He says either a: whatever he thinks his current audience wants to hear or b: whatever the last person with influence over him told him.

And yeah, Kreiger, knock it off with the misplaced insinuation.

[down]Maybe so but there are thumped posts from earlier this evening that suggest otherwise.

edited 26th Apr '17 7:22:34 PM by Elle

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#185046: Apr 26th 2017 at 7:18:47 PM

[up][up]Don't think he is. He's saying if you replace "Wall Street" with "Jews" or "Muslims" or "The Illuminati" or "The Reptilians" it wouldn't change the sound of the spiel at all. At least that's my takeaway.

edited 26th Apr '17 7:18:56 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#185048: Apr 26th 2017 at 7:24:58 PM

[up][up][up]I am aware that these are near verbatim quotes of what Sanders has actually said. And what I said is what has been said in other places about Sanders' speechwriting choices.

[up][up]I was thinking Love Live fans. Don't want to go off the deep end too quickly.

A group of 19 scholars of Mormon history filed a brief in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals over President Trump's blocked travel ban, pointing out similarities between the treatment of Mormon immigrants in the 19th century and Muslim immigrants today

"I was very concerned about the administration's targeting of Muslims," Nate Oman, a professor of law at the College of William & Mary and main author of the brief told CNN. Government targeting of Mormons in the 19th century was the closest historical parallel, he said, and "I thought it would be useful to look at that story and bring it to the court's attention.

"The Mormon experience illustrates the harms that result from the government targeting a particular religion," the brief reads. "The federal government's actions against Mormons occurred at a time when First Amendment jurisprudence was in its infancy and the law blessed government actions that today would be blatantly unconstitutional." Oman believes attempts to restrict Muslims from entering the country are based in fear, a similarity to Mormonism. "I think most of it is fear as a result of 9/11 and terrorist attacks," he said. "People assume Muslims are dangerous." One celebrity pastor mentioned in the brief said "Mormonism will destroy us" unless it was destroyed, and called for "bombshell and bullets and cannonball" to do the job, according to "Religion of a Different Color: Race and the Mormon Struggle for Whiteness" by W. Paul Reeve.

The brief, filed last week, calls for the court to "prevent harms of the kind committed against the Mormon community in the past."

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#185049: Apr 26th 2017 at 7:25:37 PM

edited 26th Apr '17 7:47:06 PM by MadSkillz

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i'm tired, my friend
#185050: Apr 26th 2017 at 7:27:38 PM

I was thinking Love Live fans. Don't want to go off the deep end too quickly.

But I thought it was Trump supporters that were the weebs here.

i'm tired, my friend

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