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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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TBF, no one on this thread was being too hard on Mello. Some of us just don't think it's acceptable to call him a progressive. We all have different lines in the sand. What really irritated some of us was the fact that Sanders endorsed and called him a progressive while refusing to do the same for Ossof when asked about him. And no one here wanted to throw Mello under the bus — if he can win, then more power to him.
edited 26th Apr '17 5:12:39 AM by M84
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Is Missouri the state where the attorney general tried to conscript the governor into being a defense attorney because said governor's policies were leaving them without public defenders?
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/04/north-carolina-governors-small-revenge-republican-legislators/
In North Carolina, a (Republican!) Judge resigned early, rather than at the approaching mandatory retirement age, to give governor Cooper a chance to fill the gap before the legislature could try to reduce the size of his particular court.
Don't take money from Wall Street. It's simple.
People attack the Democratic Party as a whole for doing the same thing.
Can legitimate complaints have racist motives depending on who is saying it? Yes but that doesn't invalidate the criticism.
To everyone else, it's capitalism at work, and capitalism that nobody gave much of a damn about until it became an issue for Clinton and, now apparently, Obama.
I personally also think that your trying to say "Bernie would get flak it he did it" argument is undercut by my assumption that you'd likely be defending Sanders from all our flak if he did. Which means we'd only have the exact same argument with the roles reversed.
edited 26th Apr '17 5:44:38 AM by sgamer82
I mean, it's not necessaily that I applaud the decision. It's just A Thing That Happened.
And I fail to see the reason to get up in arms over it. The Young Turks are partially financed by a GOP millionaire, does that taint their image? note
edited 26th Apr '17 5:56:25 AM by math792d
Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.Apparently because there are people out there who think Wall Street is literally the worst thing ever and being associated with them at all is an unfathomable disaster.
Seriously though, Wall Street hires people all the time at high prices to give speeches, and usually the speeches don't really have much substance. If someone high profile is able to give a paid speech, Wall Street's probably going to get to them eventually. It's not worth freaking out about because it's a standard element of the business world. Like, the oil industry hires Republicans for speeches at events all the time. Wall Street just tends to hire people who are viewed as moderate and centrist.
I've said this before, but Wall Street isn't the enemy here. They're the neutral party that occasionally flip-flops on who they support, but they're important enough that no one wants to tick them off. Yes, they've done a lot of bad, but they're still one of the pillars of the American economy, like it or not. Be pragmatic about it, don't demand ideological purity over something that is honestly not worth the time.
edited 26th Apr '17 6:39:26 AM by Zendervai
The speeches thing is stupid because it's more or less pointless and the extent of Wall Street hate is stupid, in part because it enables anti-Semites (blaming bankers has long be a roundabout way to blame Jews), and in part because it distracts from so many other harmful industries, like the MIC, the prison-industrial complex, and the fossil fuel fuckers. Or Electronic Arts.
Seven red districts are seeing a groundswell of democratic enthusiasm.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/330564-dems-crowd-primaries-to-challenge-gop-reps?amp
To be honest I don't think it's a good look for Obama either, and if I were in a position to advise him I'd probably tell him not to do it.
On the other hand this is a pretty standard thing for former Presidents and it's not as though he is ever going to run for public office again so I'm not really going to be to bent out of shape for him taking free money to say what he wants to a bunch of random rich people.
I'm going to keep it real:
Obama owes this country jack and fucking shit.
He put his time in. He moved us forward. Got our reputation back on track after Bush overseas. Saved the auto industry. Got healthcare for millions. Moved the country into accepting gay marriage. Among other things. And did it while putting up with racist vitriol from the right.
And then that same country betrays him by electing the antithesis of him in LITERALLY every possible way.
Let that man get his paper. The country clearly didn't give a fuck about his legacy.
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Agreed, bad optics is the worst I can say about this thing.
That aside, I was looking through the list of Real Life Never Live It Down examples and found this:
- Despite his better track record with race issues since, Attorney General Jeff Sessions is never going to hear the end of some racist remarks that cost him a federal judgeship back in 1986. To put it in perspective, Axl Rose, who himself will never be able to live down the racist-at-first-glance lyrics in the second verse of "One in a Million" (mentioned on the Music subpage), criticized Donald Trump for making the appointment in the first place.
I'm pretty sure this statement is kind of, you know, whitewashing Sessions. Should it be cut or changed?
edited 26th Apr '17 7:01:57 AM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KVThe main difference between Mad Skillz and the rest of us — which we've covered before — is that he assumes money = influence and the rest of us don't. Just because a candidate has accepted money from something doesn't mean they're sellouts crafting policy for the highest bidder. This has, as far as I can tell, always been the primary disconnect between their position and ours.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.For fuck's sake, now people are giving Obama shit for being paid to give a speech to Wall Street?
When he gave a speech in a university for FREE? Hell, do you think Bernie Sanders isn't a millionaire as well? Or that Warren also doesn't have rich donors?
Fuck this purity shit. I'm now wishing that Bernie won the primary, the general, only for his diehard supporters to turn on him when they realize "Shit you mean, President != King?"
Also anyone mind telling me how Hillary giving a speech about open borders and creating a North American version of the EU, conservative?
What does that have to do with anything I just said?
edited 26th Apr '17 7:34:22 AM by NoName999
trump wants to kill energy star. Why? Perhaps because all of his properties recieve low energy star ratings.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/04/25/politics/donald-trump-energy-star-epa/index.html

OK, just read five very interesting articles:
- [Vox] Trump supporters are the most overrated force in American politics
. Yeah, the title may be a bit click-baity, but it's actually saying very interesting things.
- [538] Don’t Just Look At Trump’s Approval Rating To Judge His First 100 Days
. Look at the Generic Democrat polling results, they're very bad for the GOP.
- [The Pitch] The Blues: What happened to the Missouri Democratic Party?
A look at how the Missouri state Democratic Party imploded.
- [Politico] 100 days of Democratic rage
. What have the Dems done to reorganize in these first 100 days?
- [The Nation] Why Was Heath Mello Thrown Under the Bus?
Ok, I've got to say that if this is true we've been far too harsh on Mello, he did have some socially progressive policies, being outspoken against discrimination of immigrants and LGBTQ+ people.
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV