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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Gee, I wonder what's going on there.
And you don't think people would get pissed off if Bernie did the same thing?
I mean trying to pivot this to racism is kind of irritating since most of the criticism right now is coming from our own side. It's like you can't criticize Obama without being a racist.
Can people call out Obama when he messes up too?
Look, Dems have an image problem right now. They are widely seen as the party of Wall Street. Our last Dem president taking 400 K from Wall Street for a speech is not a good look.
It doesn't matter whether you think it shouldn't matter because it does.
edited 26th Apr '17 2:52:49 AM by MadSkillz
I mean people criticized Hillary for her Wall Street speeches. Obama is a big boy. He knew what to expect.
It would be legitimately sexist if Obama was given a pass but Hillary wasn't.
If you're going to hold Hillary to those standards then it's fair all Democrats should be held to those standards.
edited 26th Apr '17 2:55:16 AM by MadSkillz
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Is it racist to make a legitimate complaint against Obama? Is it sexist to make a legitimate complaint against Hillary?
Don't take money from Wall Street. It's simple.
People attack the Democratic Party as a whole for doing the same thing.
Can legitimate complaints have racist motives depending on who is saying it? Yes but that doesn't invalidate the criticism.
edited 26th Apr '17 3:12:32 AM by MadSkillz
Curiously, most people don't give him much crap over this.
It's probably because the 2008 mortgage crisis threw the problems in the financial industry into the public eye, therefore automatically tainting anyone who associates with them. The military-industrial complex otoh chugs along in the background.
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Your argument basically boiled down to, "I hate the way the speech circuit panders to Wall Street, so attacking people who use it to make income is fair. Besides, it's sexist if you attack one, but not the other."
But, Hillary was attacked for more reasons than that: it was, and remains, a way to attack her (and her husband) for being female (and either too progressive... or not progressive enough) and raking the money in. Just as Obama has the cloud of racist attacks be deviling him.
Because, frankly: when white guys, be they politicians or not,or Democrats or not, hit the circuit, they usually don't get this degree of grief. :/
The systems around how politicians both in and out of office can make a living need changing in a lot of areas. Until they are, people are going to use it because those methods are there and are often prestigious, more than just legal.
edited 26th Apr '17 3:37:44 AM by Euodiachloris
Bernie Sanders giving such a paid speech would get him flack...but not necessarily because white men are held to the same standards.
It's because his whole image is based on being anti-establishment, anti Wall Street, and anti-corporate. Him giving such a speech would be hypocritical in a way that HRC and Obama giving speeches isn't.
I wouldn't put it past a lot of his more ardent supporters to give him a pass anyway if he did give such a speech.
edited 26th Apr '17 3:35:41 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedYou couldn't be more wrong the military industrial complex pushing for wars. There's nothing less profitable to the military industrial complex than a war. They wanna meander around with projects that go nowhere and run over budget on designs that'll never see daylight. Something Bernie enabled a lot.
But in an actual war? They have to get things done. They've gotta eat massive costs to meet deadlines and production quotas and they can't cut corners either. If they don't put up then the government will drop their contracts overnight and find someone who will. Arms manufacturers hate wars.
You need to sit down and properly study how these sort of things work. There's shit tons of problems with wall street and the military industrial complex but actually take the time to go figure out what they are, don't just regurgitate cheap attack lines with no basis in reality.
edited 26th Apr '17 3:40:52 AM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?I see nothing wrong with this.
That's what I meant when I said that these things could have racist/sexist motives behind them depending on who is saying it but it doesn't invalidate that they're legitimate criticisms.
Mostly because Hillary and Obama were the top-most officials of the Democratic Party. They're its faces. Also the financial crash turned Wall Street into a national pariah so associations with them are a big no no now.
edited 26th Apr '17 3:41:12 AM by MadSkillz
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Yeah. The ever looming threat of war and terror is good for business. Actual war not so much. Which I suppose is how a "dove" like Sanders is able to work with them.
This reminds me of Arthur Miller's All My Sons. The outbreak of an actual war nearly ruined Joe because he couldn't meet the quotas without cutting corners, leading to the tragedies that ultimately ruin his life and the lives of those around him.
edited 26th Apr '17 3:48:59 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedI said pushes for war not wants a real war. There's a subtle difference between the two.
But say continuously dropping bombs for instance (when advertised), that increases demand for their product which raises their stock.
Look at what happened to Raytheon's stock when Trump used those tomahawk missiles.
So they do benefit.
edited 26th Apr '17 3:50:03 AM by MadSkillz
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But, neither Hillary nor Obama ever campaigned with a platform of bringing Wall Street to its knees. Reform and restraint, yes; but, by working with it.
They don't have to be the puritans who shun the Mammon-worshiping capitalists on general principles. They never said "Wall Street is totes ebil and we will never talk to it".
edited 26th Apr '17 3:53:00 AM by Euodiachloris
They don't have to be the puritans who shun the Mammon-worshiping capitalists on general principles. They never said "Wall Street is totes ebil and we will never talk to it".
Mammon-worshipping capitalists. I love that line.. I'm going to start using it more.
Hard to blame Raytheon for that when the stock market sharks are notoriously dumb when it comes to buying/panic selling when they thing it can churn them a profit.
Pokemon GO earned millions in stocks to companies, Nintendo included, that weren't related to the game besides being associated with Pokemon.
Inter arma enim silent legesTrump to sign order targeting national monuments created by Obama, Clinton
This is shameful.
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/330320-trump-takes-aim-at-obama-monuments?amp
It gets better on that. Apparently there is a conspiracy theory out there that claims that national monuments in Utah were created at California's behest, so that Utah's development is stunted and California can take the water in the Colorado that Utah would otherwise use. Twas in a newspaper of Salt Lake City if memory serves.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanHere's some places to possibly donate or volunteer:
The UNESCO fund: https://www.gofundme.com/AltParks
Sierra Club: http://sierraclub.org/
National Parks conservation association: https://www.npca.org/#sm.0001axwlzinqzdxmsoh24agwwoyb8
And of course your closest park or monument's friends group. They are vital in helping support individual parks.
edited 26th Apr '17 4:51:02 AM by megaeliz

It's funny how all of a sudden public political figures giving paid speeches is a problem right around the time a black man and a woman started getting in on it.
Gee, I wonder what's going on there.
The mere fact that Obama is still breathing is going to tick conservatives off.
edited 26th Apr '17 2:24:38 AM by math792d
Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.