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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#184651: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:20:19 AM

[up] My dad is one of those people. He doesn't regret not voting, but he's a Trump supporter now. He's similar to the last person interviewed in that article in that he's a fan of deregulation.

It's mind-boggling I know. Still, I have the feeling many of these people will be denying they support Trump in a year or so.

edited 25th Apr '17 5:20:54 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#184652: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:21:23 AM

[up]People are weird

In other news I got into a argument about national parks with a person on twitter, wrote an epic rant defending their existence and how they actually have a positive economic impact.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mega_musical/status/856834213278076930

edited 25th Apr '17 5:25:10 AM by megaeliz

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#184653: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:23:35 AM

[up][awesome]

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#184654: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:23:59 AM

Thanks grin

edited 25th Apr '17 5:24:39 AM by megaeliz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#184655: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:24:06 AM

I take comfort in knowing that little of Trump's continued popularity with his base and even some other converts hasn't really trickled down to the GOP Congress. (insert obligatory golden showers joke)

edited 25th Apr '17 5:24:59 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#184656: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:30:31 AM

Still, I have the feeling many of these people will be denying they support Trump in a year or so.
For the love of God, Do. Not. Let. Them. Forget. Never, ever, ever let them sweep that down under the rug; they don't deserve such leniency. They should be made to remember this colossal mistake they've (almost) made for the rest of their lives. They must live with the shame that they've (almost) contributed to the rise of the worst US presidency that their country and the rest of the world has seen to date.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#184657: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:37:42 AM

NBC/WSJ also has a poll out claiming that so-called Trumpcare has a whopping 50% stating "no confidence".

edited 25th Apr '17 5:38:22 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#184658: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:41:03 AM

Polls only poll certain portions of the populations. They often are a skewed depending on how people are polled who answers the polls etc. you have to compare the answers with similar polls to get the real story

edited 25th Apr '17 5:42:00 AM by megaeliz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#184659: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:42:01 AM

[up]Which is why it's significant that it's a WSJ poll. The WSJ tends to skew conservative.

The same polling had "no confidence" at 34% in February.

edited 25th Apr '17 5:43:17 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#184660: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:47:55 AM

[up]x 4 As much as that's deserved, de-trumpification will probably need to be reserved for a democratic supermajority in Congress, a clean sweep of SCOTUS, and probably German peacekeepers occupying the country.

edited 25th Apr '17 5:49:40 AM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#184661: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:54:34 AM

And possibly The Wave becoming required reading as early as say Middle School?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#184662: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:55:03 AM

[up] That and Nineteen Eighty-Four and It Can't Happen Here.

It's not a sure-fire thing though. Germany devotes a lot of effort to nipping this sort of thing in the bud via education, and they still have nutbars like the Af D.

edited 25th Apr '17 5:57:17 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#184663: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:57:34 AM

The abysmal approval rating of congress compared to the merely bad approval ratings of Trump himself are somewhat worrying, in that such numbers suggest the American public wouldn't necessarily be opposed to further consolidation of executive power. If not under Trump, than under a future President with broader popularity.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#184664: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:58:59 AM

[up][up] Hmm, on the one hand, 1984 seems to be already distributed, on the other hand that seems to be more due to sales spikes whenever the next FOTY Internet/privacy/free speech peeve comes around and there might be some misconceptions that imply not everyone reads the book.

I'd say that it should be require at the high school level, any earlier and you might terrify the students into paranoiacs

edited 25th Apr '17 5:59:18 AM by MorningStar1337

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#184665: Apr 25th 2017 at 6:06:11 AM

If this turns out to be a double-post, I apologize, I don't want to be [nja]'d and have this repeated a few pages later.

From WTF:

Russiagate probe lacks the staff needed and is making little progress thanks to partisans.

in what could be rood news, Republican leaders fear that 2018 will be a referendum on Trump's performance.

Warning the article is WSJ. It claims that Trumps wants to cut the corporate (I presume tax rate) rate to 15%.

edited 25th Apr '17 6:06:41 AM by MorningStar1337

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#184666: Apr 25th 2017 at 6:06:16 AM

I present to all of you this elegant piece of projection.
Hannity: Liberal 'fascism' trying to silence every conservative voice

"I have to start by addressing a well-orchestrated effort by the intolerant left in this country that is designed to silence every conservative voice and by any means necessary," Hannity said during his monologue.

Hannity said there have always been efforts during his time at Fox News to "smear and slander and besmirch" him. But those efforts have not been as "intense and completely insane" as they are now, he added.

"It has only gotten worse in the age of President Trump," Hannity said.

"Now, it’s no secret I have been in supporter of the president and of course his policies. And quite simply, these liberal fascists — they can’t stand conservative voices."

"If there’s any person or group or any organization, any media outlet that slanders, lies about me, besmirch as me and my character, I am going to be calling them out. At this point, enough is not."

His comments come after a conservative commentator said the Fox News host once invited her back to his hotel room after an event at a Detroit bookstore. The accusation came as allegations of sexual harassment continue to roil the network. Hannity on Monday vowed to sue the former guest of his program with "some of the finest and toughest lawyers in the country."

Hannity mentioned the accusations during his monologue. He said his breaking point happened this past weekend, when someone who has for more than a decade made "the most outrageous, unfair, untrue allegations against" him resurfaced by "making ridiculous and completely untrue claims."

"Now, in this fiercely divided and vindictive climate, I will no longer allow slander to go unchallenged, as I see this to be a coordinated effort afoot to silence those with conservative views," he said.

"I will fight every single lie about me about any and all legal means available to me as an American."

"Now, I’m not the only one that these liberal fascist routinely targeted. Like me, conservatives are monitored on radio and TV, every word they say — in contrary to the alt radical left stated position — they’re so open-minded, liberals," he said.

This rant would be perfect in a Shakespeare villain's mouth...

edited 25th Apr '17 6:09:46 AM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#184667: Apr 25th 2017 at 6:11:42 AM

You know what this whole adoration of Trump on the right reminds me of? The Bible. Specifically, the stuff about King Saul.

For context, before Saul, Israel didn't really have a "proper" government. There was the priesthood, and every so often a leader would pop up who was referred to as a "Judge". The Judges were a pretty random grab bag of people, ranging from incredibly smart (Deborah) to abysmally stupid (Samson). But the people of Israel noticed that everyone they had contact with (which at the time included places like Egypt and the early Hittite Empire) had a king. So they demanded a king even though they were doing fine without one. So God basically said, "Fine, you want a king? You get a king." And they got a paranoiac who by all accounts kind of sucked at being king.

People really want to have a specific defined authority they can A) look at and B) blame everything wrong on. No one wants to confront the fact that they participate and perpetuate systemic problems, so if you have an authoritarian figure that you can put all the blame or praise on, you don't have to deal with the fact that you yourself are very flawed.

[up] Hannity's an idiot. Yeah, people complained about him before, but there wasn't a concentrated effort to try and force Fox to fire him until the sexual assault allegations came out. Hey, Hannity, you don't want to be attacked? Maybe don't do one of the few things that makes a majority of people very angry? A series of people getting fired for the same thing is not a conspiracy if the people getting fired all did the same things.

Also, "alt radical left"? I'm pretty sure that "sexual assault is wrong" is neither alternative nor radical.

edited 25th Apr '17 6:16:41 AM by Zendervai

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#184668: Apr 25th 2017 at 6:17:57 AM

Mad Skillz, just one thing:

It's Democratic Party, not Democrat Party. "Democrat Party" is a shibboleth that outs you as a secret Republican.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#184669: Apr 25th 2017 at 6:20:48 AM

@Morningstar 1337

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13103447000A18674100&page=7384#184579

This post has an NY Times article link about the corporate tax rate cut too.

edited 25th Apr '17 6:20:59 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#184670: Apr 25th 2017 at 6:34:54 AM

@Captain Capase: Congress has, at least in recent history, has consistently been unpopular with the general public, however people tend to like their local congress-people so it ends up not mattering.

If support for local congress-people among locals starts collapsing, then I'd begin to worry.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#184671: Apr 25th 2017 at 6:36:30 AM

@Crimson: Or someone living in a red state where 90% of your neighbors are Republicans and that appellation is pretty much the standard way of referring to the democratic party.

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#184672: Apr 25th 2017 at 6:40:17 AM

It's not a sure-fire thing though. Germany devotes a lot of effort to nipping this sort of thing in the bud via education, and they still have nutbars like the Af D.

True, but the Af D are just barely scraping by with 6% of the vote (you need 5% to get a Bundestag representative), so their level of influence is entirely dependent on coalitions, and the coalition-happy parties are all telling them to go piss up a rope.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#184673: Apr 25th 2017 at 6:41:55 AM

I feel a quote from one of the new episodes of Samurai Jack is apt to describe my feelings towards Trump supporters. "Everything, every word, every thought that you know is wrong!" My frustration is also mirrored in that scene.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#184674: Apr 25th 2017 at 6:49:22 AM

@Crimson: Or someone living in a red state where 90% of your neighbors are Republicans and that appellation is pretty much the standard way of referring to the democratic party.
I think that was his point.

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#184675: Apr 25th 2017 at 6:51:11 AM

@Capsase, consolidating power in the executive has been a trend for a while now, just see the independent regulatory agencies. They make more laws than Congress does. Although, they're also legally required to have meaningful notice and comment periods and explain and justify their polices unlike Congress.
Not that it isn't worrying, but Congress clawing that support back is probably a pipe dream. It's role may end up being limited to review and authorization of executive lawmaking power as time goes on. Another irony of history as Madison and them considered the parliament to be the most prone to consolidating power and strongest branch by default...Congress still would be contingent upon 500+ people acing in concert for an extended period of time.

edited 25th Apr '17 6:55:07 AM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives

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