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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I'll confess, the Bernie complaints annoy me to, as what I really want to happen right now is us joining together to oppose Trump.
Mind you, Sanders has made this difficult as well, as that article illustrates. Why endorse this Mello guy over Ossoff? What does the former have that the latter doesn't? Hell, what's so bad about the latter that isn't true about the former?
That being said...look, I fail to see how kicking him out of his Senate seat would make him any less vocal - if anything, it'd make him moreso. It would not be hard at all for such an act to be spun as the Democrats trying to kick progressives to the curb. And despite everything, he does vote on our side.
And honestly, I think that Sanders might have his finger on the pulse of what younger, left-wing voters want more than some Democrats do.
Oh God! Natural light!
x6 If he is so loved then running an actual Democratic candidate won't hurt him but it might dispel some of the aura of perfection that seems to constructed for himself. If he isn't we could get a senator who will still vote with the Democrats but isn't being a giant ass about other Democrats not being his kind of progressive.
edited 20th Apr '17 9:57:20 AM by SophiaLonesoul
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The recent Bernie complaints only seem excessive because this Ossof and Mello thing came up not too long after that one article tweeted by Sanders which referenced Spencer and the interview in which he outright said "I'm an Independent". Sanders barely gave us time to cool off.
edited 20th Apr '17 10:02:30 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised@Morning Star: That's a truly awful idea that would almost certainly doom the left here as it did in the UK.
Like it or not Sander's is probably one of the most popular figures on the left now, and you can't expect just ignore/ get rid of him without consequences.
@Karkat: Sanders was personally campaigning for Mello, which is something the party actually wants him to be out there doing since he did quite well in the rural midweatern States like Nebraska. Meanwhile in the relatively red Georgian suburbs Ossoff is running in, he's not considered nearly as valuable, in fact he might very well be a liability. It would be helpful though if he just kept quiet about races like that.
edited 20th Apr '17 10:01:47 AM by CaptainCapsase
@Karkat
I would love to stop complaining about him. But for that to happen he would need to actually start helping the Democrats. Or at least stop actively sabotaging as he did in the case of Ossof. If he cannot or will not stop that though—and I'm not seeing any evidence that he's going to stop—something needs to be done about him. What that would be, I don't know.
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In an off-hand comment during an interview which seems to have gotten heavily publicized by right wing sources; he needs learn when to simply bite his tongue rather than speaking his mind now that he's a major political figure, but I don't think he's trying to sabatoge Ossof's campaign.
edited 20th Apr '17 10:06:25 AM by CaptainCapsase
That's nice. Has he denied the quote? Clarified his position? Taken it back? Altered his stance? No. In fact he's repeated the quote and went from "I don't know if he's progressive" in The Wall Street Journal to "he's not progressive" in The Washington Post. He has, in short, doubled down on his stance.
Which is something he really shouldn't be doing now that he has a national audience, but I definitely think there's an element of media looking for drama (and that's the norm across the political spectrum as seen with Trump's non-stop coverage) in this story becoming as significant as it has rather than a deliberate effort to undermine the party.
edited 20th Apr '17 10:20:01 AM by CaptainCapsase
@ the 100-day report card article
Republicans are inclined to give him good grades on his performance in office so far — mostly A’s and B’s. Democrats are tougher in their assessments — mostly D’s and F’s, according to a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll.
“There’s a persistent media narrative that President Trump can do no wrong among his base of supporters,” said Kyle Dropp, Morning Consult’s chief research officer and co-founder. “But this polling suggests that, at the very least, many of his voters see room for improvement. Forty-two percent of Trump voters grade his first 100 days a ‘B,’ and another 23 percent give him a ‘C’ or worse.”
voters are similarly divided on the future trajectory of his presidency. While 44 percent expect Trump’s performance to get better, just as many say it will get worse (30 percent) or stay about the same (16 percent).
There’s more optimism about his ability to mature in office among Republicans: More than 3 in 4, 76 percent, think Trump will get better. A majority of Democratic voters, 53 percent, expect Trump’s performance to get worse.
I would look at this one.
edited 20th Apr '17 10:24:40 AM by CenturyEye
Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives@M84: Hopefully not; Sanders is pretty much a non-factor in Georgia, particularly in the district Ossoff is running in, but when you're a nationally notable politician you can't just be tactful when you feel like it. My hope is that Sanders simply isn't used to being nationally relevant and these sorts of comments will become less common after a while.
edited 20th Apr '17 10:29:41 AM by CaptainCapsase

edited 20th Apr '17 9:53:12 AM by CaptainCapsase