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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#183551: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:51:36 PM

What concerns are those? There was a legitimate problem with her giving people realistic answers that they rejected because it's not what they wanted to hear.

edited 18th Apr '17 5:51:44 PM by Kostya

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#183552: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:52:44 PM

[up][up]Wrong link.

Hopefully people vote their Ossoff.

@Krieger What's the problem here? He and his wife both have high-paying jobs.

edited 18th Apr '17 5:53:00 PM by MadSkillz

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#183553: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:54:17 PM

[up]Fixed. It's starts around the 1 hour mark, probably a bit after.

Basically they didn't focus enough on potential undecided voters.

edited 18th Apr '17 5:58:45 PM by megaeliz

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#183554: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:55:20 PM

They're already counting the votes (you can check here if you want) Ossof is currently leading with 60.6% of the vote (equals 33,862 votes) and the turnout is at normal midterm levels.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#183555: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:57:03 PM

[up] I'm not going to get my hopes up but it's hard not to.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#183557: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:59:17 PM

I don't imagine his lead dissipating, but I doubt he'll stay that far in the lead. I'm expecting a runoff election.

Still, if he actually gets 51%+ of the vote, that'd be incredible.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#183558: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:05:05 PM

Well, I've said what I needed to say.

Elizabeth Warren is the bomb. From the article: "Warren tells All Things Considered that she sees Trump's rise as part of a larger narrative of economic inequality in this country. She argues that the government's lack of investment in the middle class created the conditions "where Donald Trump could deliver the knockout blow."

and ""Look, let's be blunt. Democrats have not always been on the right side of these arguments," she says, "and frankly Democrats have not indicated always a willingness to wade in and actually to fight for the people who need it."

Well.

Another book I can strongly recommend is "The Next American Civil War: The Populist Revolt Against the Liberal Elite" by written by Lee Harris in 2012. Harris is not himself a conservative, but he tries to understand conservatives in their own terms. Reading it now, it seems almost prescient.

"...what is Harris’ explanation of why these people, these conservative stalwarts and tea-party members, are so extreme in some of their views? “But they all have one highly conspicuous quality in common. They don’t like other people telling them what to do… These are people that might be best dubbed “natural libertarians”. They may never have read a single piece of the classic libertarian literature. They may never have even heard of John Locke or John Stuart Mill, but they have instinctively adopted Thomas Paine’s maxim that “government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil.” To such people, there is nothing so odious or obnoxious than a government whose attitude is “Don’t worry, we know what is best for you””

and “The Obama death panel is a myth- but it is a myth that expresses a genuine anxiety that decisions over our lives and deaths could one day end up being made for us and not by us. It is not enough to simply discredit the myth, which is relatively easy; it is necessary to address the underlying anxiety, which is much more difficult, since the source of this anxiety is the well founded fear of the little guy that those who wield power over him will not be inclined to use it for his benefit."

It's well worth a read. And as for myself:

"The point is not whether this view of things is ‘right’ or ‘wrong’- the degree of historical revisionism involved here is obvious. The right-wing populist revolt is clearly much more a product of the feelings of ordinary people in response to traumatic social changes rather than driven by an ideology."

edited 18th Apr '17 6:06:08 PM by DeMarquis

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#183559: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:10:42 PM

Here's another live monitoring of the election.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/329361-live-results-georgia-special-election?amp

Also this is a good read. It's what to watch for in the election.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/329196-five-things-to-watch-in-the-georgia-special-election

edited 18th Apr '17 6:13:07 PM by megaeliz

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#183560: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:12:48 PM

Warren is cool.

I just wished she broadened her horizons a bit more than banks and financial issues.

New Survey coming this weekend!
RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#183561: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:15:02 PM

Though having someone specialized in it does help the team.

Continue writing our story of peace.
Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#183562: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:16:10 PM

Yes, but a myopic focus on only one part of the problem could leave the rest of the party butting heads with her in search of a solution.

edited 18th Apr '17 6:16:41 PM by Wryte

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#183563: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:20:03 PM

Hmm. Ossoff's percentage of the vote keeps decreasing... sad

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#183564: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:20:35 PM

57.8 % ossoff at 45% reporting right now

It'll be close

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#183565: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:20:53 PM

President H.W. Bush has been hospitalized with pneumonia.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/politics/george-hw-bush-hospitalized/index.html

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#183566: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:20:55 PM

That's to be expected. More people are still voting.

edited 18th Apr '17 6:21:22 PM by megaeliz

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#183567: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:23:37 PM

[up]x4 (mostly paraphrasing Nate Cohn from NYT's upshot here) Most of the vote's currently counted come from Cobb county, which is the "Republican stronghold" of the district, the other two counties could still carry him to the top (and the other Democratic candidates add up to 0.9%, so if he gets over 49% but under 50% he's got an assured win)

EDIT: [nja]

edited 18th Apr '17 6:24:31 PM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#183568: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:25:29 PM

[up][up]Who knew voting was bad for one's health?

i'm tired, my friend
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#183569: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:26:16 PM

The Sixth
Updates include the scene at Ossoff's and Handel's election watch parties.

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#183570: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:27:25 PM

[up][up]If you are a Republican, yes. People voting will make you sick.

edited 18th Apr '17 6:27:58 PM by RAlexa21th

Continue writing our story of peace.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#183571: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:28:21 PM

Seems like things turned into a real brouhahaha while I was at work. There's a few things I'd love to respond to, but since the convo has moved on, I'll leave it for the moment.

Fingers crossed for Ossof, even if I think he's got a snowball's chance.

@Mad Skillz

Sanders' lakehouse is not a problem for anyone sane. What Krieger is saying, however, is that it should have been a problem for the lunatic elements of his fanbase who tried to decry "insert Democrat here" as a member of the whatever percent and therefore unable to represent "the people". That they have no issue with it is evidence of the problems with their positions.

edited 18th Apr '17 6:30:13 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#183572: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:34:46 PM

The only people who it bothers are the people on the right who hear the words "income inequality" and immediately think communism.

edited 18th Apr '17 6:35:37 PM by megaeliz

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#183573: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:49:21 PM

We may have the verbal shots fired of the North American trade war on our hands. After Trump singled out Canadian diary (the US has a massive advantage in terms of volume and weaker quality regs, reflected in the trade balance) and the Canadian ambassador called him on it.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-ambassador-newyork-wisconsin-1.4075002

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#183575: Apr 18th 2017 at 6:57:17 PM

I mean, Ossof getting a plurality but not 50% was always the most likely outcome. The run-off would be a coin flip, but Ossof has a better chance of winning there than he does now. But we'll see; he's still above 50 at the moment.


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