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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Founding Father worship is the epitome of white privilege, and it goes beyond their commitment to slavery. Their actions against Native Americans, their Evil Overlord attitude towards annexing Canada, and their comically arrogant attitude towards their own people makes them unworthy of veneration in the present-day. Part of the problem is that the American Revolution is primarily taught in elementary school history — which is basically nationalist indoctrination. It tends to be a rather passe and overlooked topic in high school and college. By the time people are old enough to really consider how flawed and unsavory our Founders were, the interest has already shifted.
Violent protest was at the heart of the French Revolution, and that changed the world, not just a regime. You can't affect change if violence is completely off the table. If, at best, you make the powers that be annoyed on their morning commute because you're picketing on the road, you're already failing at being taken seriously.
edited 2nd Feb '17 8:28:21 AM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."![]()
Tell that to France in the 1790's.
@Reason.com and Libertarianism: As a Libertarian myself, there are multiple versions of Libertarianism ranging from Paleolibertarianism
to Libertarian Marxism
, and there are a variety of Schools in between. Not every Libertarian is an out-and-out Objectivist Libertarian. In fact, Ayn Rand hated the Libertarians, who she thought were simple idealists who were clueless when it came to actually running a society.
My frustration with Liberatarianism is their belief that nobody needs government protection, and that any attempts at establishing it is an unrepentant power grab. I wonder how many of the movement are religious, gender, or racial minorities in the place they practice.
Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for youTrump repealing the Johnson Amendment:
Time to rebrand the bible belt states the Dumbfuckstan if that ever happens.
Religious expressions under threat my ass, I bet this is Mike "shock away the gay" Pence pulling the strings so him and his cronies can freely use their religious cattle to influence politics.
edited 2nd Feb '17 8:57:09 AM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent legesI don't think Trump or any of his advisory is an evil genius (evil, yes; genius, no), but appeasing evangelicals makes a lot of sense, because that group put aside personal distaste because of promised red meat and Trump needs to provide that.
Also, more info on Gorsuch
. Seems like he carried that anti-liberal provocateur thing/extreme positions into college (and let's be honest, probably still holds those views).
Gorsuch is basically the pretentious, white, prep-schooled asshole who runs your university's chapter of College Republicans, all grown up.
edited 2nd Feb '17 9:19:36 AM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."Dear Lord, I decide to spend my night playing XCOM 2 and I come back in the morning to this. Am I hallucinating? Dreaming? How far down the rabbit hole am I? Seriously, as a Christian I'm ashamed that Trump is using my religion as some sort of sacrificial lamb in order to justify his ridiculous policies.
I wonder if Trump wanting to remove the Johnson Amendment is a way for him to repent for his sins without going into a Confession booth to do so?
Also, I don't think even a Republican, Christian Congress will go through with it. They'd know that removing the Johnson Amendment would allow the Vatican, Muslim Groups, Atheists, Satanists and Scientologists much more power then they already have. That's the last thing they want to do.
Some of the comments on that article are a trip. Apparently, the Democrats are going to destroy everything to get their way - even complaining about "good policy decisions" - then when they've regained power by force or through elections they will rig the system so that they will never lose again. Oh and Trump is only doing "what a majority of voters want."
It's like the funhouse mirror version of this thread. And actually kind of entertaining.
I have to admit I don't really understand hardcore Libertarians. How would allowing people to do whatever they want without any oversight be a net good for society? Am I missing something, here?
edited 2nd Feb '17 9:28:38 AM by Pseudopartition
@Crimson- Thank you. That's what I was getting at but I couldn't think of a good, concise phrasing. While I know at least some people change, he comes off as a total asshole in the descriptions of him as a younger guy in a way that belies the framing of him as "principled conservative that liberals could like".
edited 2nd Feb '17 9:32:22 AM by Hodor2
This WaPo article has a rundown of the good and bad of Gourush from a progressive view.
Good, he has regularly contested overreach of executive power and while pro-religion he's not neccecarily biased in favor of Christianity. Bad: very pro-life (but also pro death-penalty), was one of the lower court judges on the Hobby Lobby case which ruled for religious exceptions to ACA-mandaded birth control coverage.
Rumor: Trump didn't oversee the SC nominee selection personally; Gorsuch is probably at worst a cookie-cutter Scalia-esque pick.
As for that stuff in the Daily Mail, I'd treat it as unverified unless backed by a better source even if they are things we'd call points against him.
edited 2nd Feb '17 9:34:45 AM by Elle
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While Libertarians come from all over, pretty much every one I have personally met was a child of privilege who never had to work for what they wanted-well off people who had a car at 16 and never wanted for anything, courtesy of parents; who worked some part time job for spending cash, got college paid for, and wondered why everyone else was such a bunch of whiners about how tough and unfair life is. The rest were Anarcho-commune wannabes who were convinced that government was useless and anyone who liked being told what to do might as well walk off a cliff rather than get poisoned by vaccinations or enslaved by socialists.
...Perceptions may vary.
edited 2nd Feb '17 9:40:09 AM by ViperMagnum357
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Like I said before, we are trapped in a particularly bad Hearts Of Iron mod. And I think the modders need to nerf that Russian action that gets their rivals saddled with shit leaders.
edited 2nd Feb '17 9:51:00 AM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

This Founding Father ancestor-worship complex some people have drives me spare. They were fallible humans like us for crying out loud. Sticking to their letter of the law above all else is incredibly illogical.
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."