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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Don't feel that way. As long as you express your opinion in a civil and open way, inviting honest debate, there's nothing wrong with speaking out.
"Capitalism" is not, and should not, be a right-wing exclusive ideology.
Unrestrained laissez-faire capitalism, on the other hand, is. And has a long history of exploitation, oppression, and death.
Trump is going to focus a counter terrorism program to focus solely on Islamic terror
. No more focusing on white supremacists who carry out domestic terrorist attacks as well.
edited 1st Feb '17 4:08:05 PM by higherbrainpattern
Oh joy. If it wasn't for the fact that I have to show up at drill every month, I'd probably move out of the country for the next four years. Then again, depending on whether or not Trump gets us sucked into some stupid, pointless war I may end up resigning my damn commission anyway, and that's not a statement I make lightly.
You're in luck.
"You have a bunch of bad hombres down there," Trump told Pena Nieto, according to the excerpt seen by the AP. "You aren't doing enough to stop them. I think your military is scared. Our military isn't, so I just might send them down to take care of it."
http://time.com/4657474/donald-trump-enrique-pena-nieto-mexico-bad-hombres/
"I don't need the Mexicans, I don't need Mexico," Trump reportedly told the Mexican president. "We are going to build the wall and you all are going to pay for it, like it or not." ... "He even complained of the bad role the [Mexican] army is playing in the fight against narco trafficking," Estevez, who writes for Forbes and is close to Mexican journalist and anchorwoman Carmen Aristegui, said during an interview with Aristegui's eponymous news outlet. ... Trump "even suggested to [Peña Nieto] that if they are incapable of combatting [narco trafficking] he may have to send troops to assume this task," she said.
We're going to invade Mexico and fight Iran and China. Anyone feel good about that?
edited 1st Feb '17 4:11:02 PM by MadSkillz
@HBP: Trump could at least try to make the bigotry less obvious.
Also, I don't know if this has been posted here already, but Flynn has apparently said that they've put Iran "on notice" over the ballistic missile test.
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edited 1st Feb '17 4:12:23 PM by LinkToTheFuture
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas EdisonDunno how those wars are gonna reflect on Trump's middling popularity. Like, fascism runs on having an "enemy" to rally behind, and on the premise of fighting that enemy anything is justifiable, but isn't the american public tired of wars? Aren't people going to get pissed seeing their sons die because of Trump's petty ego and malice?
Trump can't go to war with anyone unless he wants to be a guaranteed one-term President. America is still burnt out on the Iraq War (which even Trump says he was against). If we go to war, especially a war he starts, he will literally lose the next election he's in. Although, he could start a war in his 2nd term and suffer only losses in Popularity, but I doubt he'll get one.
If he tries to start a war now, forget one term, he'll (hopefully) be impeached. His supporters can only lie to themselves so much, but once their friends and family are in danger of going into the grinder because of his policies, they'll turn on him just as quickly as the rest of us. Especially if we go to war with Mexico. Americans have forgotten what it's like to actually fight a war with a peer or near-peer nation that's literally right next door. I can assure you Texas will remember pretty quick.
edited 1st Feb '17 4:17:25 PM by danime91
I don't really know about that.
In case of an armed conflict, isn't U.S Army vastly more powerful than that of Mexico? Hasn't that always been the case? A war that's going to be over in a month or two, with a complete American curbstomp might not be seen as good by more restrained voters, but the radical right and various Trumplings would be nothing short of ecstatic.
It would be a curbstomp, and unlike in Iraq and Vietnam, since its right on our doorstep it would be easy to project power into Mexico, and relatively cheap, and especially if a far left anti-Trump demagogue ends up being elected, it would probably be surprisingly easy to goad Mexico into doing something that the United States could claim was an act of war.
That's assuming this happens overtly rather than covertly as was typically the case in the many, many, many cases of the United States fucking with Latin America in the past.
edited 1st Feb '17 4:24:42 PM by CaptainCapsase
Conquering another country means that you're now on the hook for that country. It's one of the reasons that the Crimea thing kind of backfired, because Russia is now paying Ukraine for the electricity and water since basically none of it comes from Crimea.
If Mexico is conquered and added to the US, the US economy is guaranteed to take a massive hit. And that's not even counting everyone slapping sanctions on the US. Invading Mexico like that also kind of ruins the ability to use Mexico as a scapegoat. You can't say "those damn Mexicans and their drug cartels!" because, guess what? They're now in the US. They're your problem.
edited 1st Feb '17 4:25:23 PM by Zendervai
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"The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions." -Robert Wilson Lynd
And honestly, false flag operations may have worked in an earlier age, but with social media and nigh-instantaneous news coverage, it would be a lot more difficult to pull off.
edited 1st Feb '17 4:25:45 PM by danime91
But as the Bush Administration shows, doing so (at least in the States) ultimately leads to large backlash from anyone who wasn't particularly Jingoist, and results in not only the Party of the Administration losing Bigly, but also results in the Administration becoming deeply hated, so hated that even the Party of the Administration eventually realizes "Yeah, this was a bad idea". Same thing happened to the Johnson Administration.
And honestly, if you think Mexico would be stupid enough to shoot at Americans for whatever reason, then you must have lower opinions of the Mexican Government then you do of Trump.
Again, that would require you to think that the Mexican Government is worse then Trump himself. The Mexican people aren't stupid or aggressive, and they know damn well that attacking any American, for any reason real or not, would result in a Curbstomp war with the USA annexing the Baja Peninsula. No Soldier, that doesn't have some huge grudge with the Government, would ever think of doing anything like that, and the Mexican Government would never ever allow a Soldier like that anywhere near an American to try.
edited 1st Feb '17 4:31:53 PM by DingoWalley1
