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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#171901: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:04:57 PM

America's gonna get some more polluted water again. Isn't that amazing?

edited 1st Feb '17 3:05:30 PM by higherbrainpattern

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#171902: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:06:54 PM

Citizens still got detained. A five-year-old US citizen still got handcuffed and held for five hours. And Republicans had the gall to defend that on TV.

Why not even say "We're sorry, mistakes happen, but, we swear, it's worth it"?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#171903: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:08:32 PM

[up][up]You know, my family sometimes goes up to Big Sur in the summer. The water is freezing cold, but once you get used to it it's great for swimming. I remember my brother and I swimming down to catch crayfish with our bare hands. I really, really hope that's something I'll still be able to do with any kids I may have in the future. Seriously, Trump, do you have a vendetta against the Earth or something?!

edited 1st Feb '17 3:08:38 PM by danime91

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#171904: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:09:14 PM

[up][up] On top of an Iraq War Vet's family unable to come back to the USA, and 6 Syrian Christians being sent back to that hell hole.

These people should be used by Democrats in advertisements in 4 years to show just how terrible Trump's First Year was, let alone the next 3!

And that's an honest question I have from the Democrat Camp: Why didn't they have a "Former Republican Terrified of Candidate" ad like Johnson had? An "In your heart, you know he might" Ad? If Hillary had done those 2 things, and put them either on Youtube or on TV, Trump would've certainly lost in the Rust Belt.

edited 1st Feb '17 3:11:10 PM by DingoWalley1

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#171905: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:09:16 PM

Because the entirety of Gawp power lies in assuring their cultists that they couldn't ever possibly be wrong ever because they're so awesome.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#171906: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:11:35 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Sing along!

On the bright side, the life spam of the bring coal back crowd will be severely reduced, on the bad side so will everyone else...

edited 1st Feb '17 3:12:03 PM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#171907: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:16:48 PM

Depends...let's put it this way: If you don't do school choice, you have to ensure that every school, no matter in which neighbourhood, has the same equipment. It is a big problem that the pupils in the rich districts get every advantage from the get go while the ones in the poor districts are forced to do with whatever is offered to them. On the other hand, though, if you allow school choice, there is a considerable risk that there is a school for the "desirable" pupils and another school for the rest. It might give pupils the opportunity to mix with all kind of different people.

I would focus on ensuring that every state school offers the same quality of learning, though.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#171908: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:17:30 PM

I'll be honest and say that I, in my eternal naivete and being a lifelong private school student, once thought that "school choice" sounded like a neat idea, until I gave it some though and realized that with all the regulations that would be needed to make it even remotely fair it might as well be public school anyway.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#171909: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:19:01 PM

Clinton did have that ad. With the same guy.

It just didn't mean much coming from Clinton.

edited 1st Feb '17 3:20:11 PM by Eschaton

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#171910: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:23:58 PM

After reading De Vos profile, I am pretty sure her School Choice is just a blanket term for her to defend For Profit schools so she and her cronies can profit from and to cater the religious fundamentalists and rich assholes who don't wan their kids 'learning things they don't approve or sharing the school with groups they don't approve.

That along defunding public schools in favor of for profit private schools.

Inter arma enim silent leges
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#171911: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:31:35 PM

Citizens still got detained. A five-year-old US citizen still got handcuffed and held for five hours. And Republicans had the gall to defend that on TV. Why not even say "We're sorry, mistakes happen, but, we swear, it's worth it"?

Because they're not sorry and they don't feel the need to lie about it because Trump showed them you can display casual disregard for non-white, non-american people and it isn't going to be a dealbreaker.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#171912: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:37:18 PM

I feel like I'm pretty centrist or even right-wing on a lot of things, but there are certain inalienable things such as protection of the environment, civil rights, and tolerance for all that prevent me from considering the Republicans as any sort of viable option.

Also, I find that that Political Compass site to be pretty useless.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#171913: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:39:16 PM

The problem with charter schools is they basically can kick out any student that doesn't meet their "standards". I think even private schools as we usually think of them are required to go through a process to kick out any students at their campus.

@Dingo: Hillary did do those kinds of ads, they just apparently weren't run in the right places. In any case, I'm seeing plenty of "repeal and replace" ads now, and I hope to God that the Democrats learn the lesson here and just blast out as many ads as possible about how bad Trump and his policies are.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#171914: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:40:41 PM

[up]Tolerance of non-bigots. Bigots must be called out and corrected.

Homophobia, sexism, racism, and religious persecution don't fall under the umbrella. They are holes in the umbrella.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#171915: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:41:04 PM

[up][up][up]Since I believe you're one of the younger posters here, I'm curious what positions you have that you would consider right-wing, especially in light of those other issues.

edited 1st Feb '17 3:41:25 PM by Eschaton

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#171916: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:42:16 PM

If I had to guess: fiscal conservative? Tax no more than absolutely necessary?

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#171917: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:45:30 PM

[up] Isn't the Paradox of Tolerance a glorious thing?

Personally, even though I dislike Intolerant people, I think it is important that we do tolerate them. If they are not allowed to be Intolerant, then how would we know that Intolerance is wrong? People need to see that hate, in any form, is wrong, and people who espouse hate and tyranny might grab a couple of naive minds, but the majority would disagree with it. If you stopped all Intolerance, then one day it'll spring it's ugly head and gain a massive following with the Rebellious youth who would one day take over and form an Intolerant society.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#171918: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:48:25 PM

Jenna Bush Hager used some of her dad, George W. Bush's, own words from a uniting speech after 9/11 in order ton denounce Trump.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#171919: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:49:43 PM

I think the GOP is just an affront to basic human decency and thoroughly anti-intellectual, and labels like "right" or "left" really don't matter in the face of that. Conspiring to rig the system to put yourself in power perpetually, showing a blatant disrespect and disregard for people who simply happen to exist and fomenting distrust of the hard work put in by scientists and scholars based entirely on "feels" and paranoia means they are scum. I normally avoid being vitriolic like that, but there comes a point where too much is too much, and the GOP has long crossed that line.

If someone who's "right-wing" supports or makes excuses for any of that, they can fuck off.

[up][up] It depends on what you mean by "tolerate".

What people usually mean that they are not tolerant of intolerance is to make it very clear to those people that they do not approve of their behavior and that they don't think their attitudes belong in a civilized society.

edited 1st Feb '17 3:59:11 PM by Draghinazzo

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#171920: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:52:45 PM

I believe in the ideal of capitalism, but not necessarily the way it's being conducted, but I believe that something similar to the current system could work if 1) regulations could be put in place to ensure a level playing field and 2) companies are held accountable for their actions. Otherwise, I think that if the incentives are aligned correctly, it could work. Granted, this would still leave some inequality issues, and I'm pretty short on ideas for solving it besides progressive taxation.

I feel like I'm pretty biased though, since this is the kind of system which would benefit me.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#171921: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:52:49 PM

[up][up][up]Even in the comments there's someone defending Trump saying that the executive order is not targeting Muslims. Really, how does someone actually convince themselves to believe that?

[up]Isn't market regulation more of a left thing than a right thing?

edited 1st Feb '17 3:53:40 PM by danime91

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#171922: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:55:12 PM

I'm not really seeing how we should tolerate ideas like "this particular group doesn't deserve to have the same set of rights that I do."

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#171923: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:56:17 PM

[up][up][up] I don't think most left-wing people are against capitalism per se. You can never have a perfect system, just an improved one.

edited 1st Feb '17 3:56:31 PM by Draghinazzo

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#171924: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:56:19 PM

[up][up][up][up]That sounds a lot closer to socialist market capitalism, depending on how much regulation you believe is necessary. That also leaves you solidly on the left, fiscally speaking.

edited 1st Feb '17 3:56:52 PM by ViperMagnum357

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#171925: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:57:55 PM

True.

I think it's just a product of the kind of environments I tend to frequent, where capitalism really isn't very popular. The point being, I still believe that the corporation is an important and valuable institution.

In general, I feel like maybe I should talk less.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison

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