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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#171551: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:03:03 PM

[up][up][up] He's asking for a civil war, isn't he?

But in the best cases, either the troops won't even try to shoot their own citizens regardless of ideologies or would have to put with a fight against the whole N Gs stationed there.

edited 31st Jan '17 1:03:28 PM by Luigisan98

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#171552: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:03:49 PM

@Link I think you're forgetting that's what Bannon and Trump want to happen. Bannon wants to destroy the state and Trump wants to show off his power.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#171553: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:05:45 PM

Hey, remember this little speech by President Reagan?

Reagan may have been lethally negligent towards the LGBT and introduced an economically disastrous fiscal policy, but he stood up to foreign tyrants. Once upon a time, the Grand Old Party had at least a few admirable ideals left.

Now what are we left with?

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#171554: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:05:51 PM

[up][up]CA is my adopted home state and I'm really proud of it too right now. However, I do not want any stupid talks of secession or rebellion until it becomes absolutely, strictly necessary, which it is absolutely not at the moment. However, Trump's policies should be resisted.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#171555: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:08:00 PM

California's courage ought to be serving as an inspiration to all the other blue states.

Also, I mentioned this before, but in the event of their federal funding being cut, California is looking into means through which they could retaliate. Namely, cutting off the tax dollars they send to the government. And as a donor state, Cali actually sends more money to the government than the government sends to them—so they would be the victors in that little financial dust-up.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#171556: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:09:08 PM

...and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
At least California has earned this. I was about to ask whether we should ship the statue back to France or send it northward.

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#171557: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:10:19 PM

And a military occupation would be a disaster. Controlling over 30 million people, even if other states don't take their side, would be a military and economic nightmare.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#171558: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:13:37 PM

The Northeast and the other three Pacific states not named Alaska might want to follow our examples unless it would be disastrous for them in a way it would not be for us.

I'm concerned that such actions, if they undertaken, would get us declared to be "in rebellion" and treated accordingly. Unless, say, Texas did something similar under Obama.

Also, I'm kind of concerned about ending up on a list somewhere, and I don't want to fall into the trap that right wingers did under Obama.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#171559: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:24:03 PM

Reagan is, or was, a part of the Problem though: Reagan radicalized the Republican Party with his Objectivist Libertarian, Neo-Conservative Ideology that was neither purely Libertarian or Conservative. The party warped into this "Never Compromise, Never Surrender" group of irresponsible ideologues that only care about the Problems they cause when they aren't in the Majority because of Reagan. And this Radicalism grew with 9/11, the Iraq War, the Great Recession, Obama's Victory (and Re-Election). It gave birth to the Tea Party Movement that was just as irresponsible, just as rebellious, and just as vile as the Republicans were. But they were rebels without a cause, and they didn't know how to govern at all, and when the people who supported them realized that the Tea Party was weak and ineffectual in governing, they turned towards 'Strong Men' movements; The Alt-Right, which spreads 'Fake News' and Hate towards anyone that doesn't agree with them, and more importantly, Donald Trump, that feeds off of the idea of Strength, and uses everyone and anyone to his advantage or tosses them aside and spits on their face.

Now, keep in mind, I do like Reagan as a person, but Reagan got the Ball Rolling. If he had seen what his Political Career would lead to (Hell, things might get worse for all we know!), I would be that he would have never gotten into Politics at all.

edited 31st Jan '17 1:25:43 PM by DingoWalley1

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#171560: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:25:27 PM

[up][up] You probably already are on a list; if Trump isn't already testing the waters on using the NSA and FBI against domestic political opponents, I'll eat my hat.

edited 31st Jan '17 1:25:36 PM by CaptainCapsase

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#171561: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:25:34 PM

Dingo, if you don't mind me asking, why do you capitalize every noun?

[up]Luckily for me, I've already posted several FB comments voicing my, uh, dispeasure at events, including a legit essay on why climate change needs to be addressed now, under my real name. Hell, I plan to do more of it anyway, for whatever it's worth.

Of course, I think winning in 2018 is our only chance, even if the Dems take the White House in 2020 it'll probably be too late by then.

edited 31st Jan '17 1:30:43 PM by LinkToTheFuture

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#171562: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:26:11 PM

[up] It's an odd habit I have. I don't do it when writing on hand, but it happens constantly when I type.tongue

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#171563: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:30:42 PM

How about this: "We wont let him." But the logic behind what they are doing is that reactionary voters dont like foreigners coming here and then living on the taxpayers dime.

FTFY

I don't think those types of people can be really called conservative voters anymore, and I won't dignify them by referring to them as such, in much the same way I won't do the same for the Republican party. Obama is more "conservative" than they are.

edited 31st Jan '17 1:33:44 PM by Draghinazzo

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#171564: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:35:12 PM

"Exclusive: Trump's travel ban polarizes America - Reuters/Ipsos poll" - http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-poll-exclusive-idUSKBN15F2MG

Disagreement with the ban isn't as high among Americans as we'd like it to be, but at least it still outnumbers agreement.

"Trump's immigration orders hit with new legal challenges" - http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-sanfrancisco-idUSKBN15F2B1

More California resistance, though insure if it's already been linked

edited 31st Jan '17 1:36:12 PM by sgamer82

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#171565: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:35:59 PM

Also, when will I legally be able to register to vote? I assume it's much too early now, but I'll be 18 by the time the midterms roll around.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#171566: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:43:57 PM

The day of your eighteenth birthday, if I recall. Also, they might ask you to register for the draft the same day. In Alabama refusing to do so makes your taxes more difficult or something. I can't remember what the threat was.

See, back then we had a reasonable President who wasn't going to march off to war without cause. Now....

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#171568: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:58:07 PM

I read that the left-wing in America is actually fairly moderate compared to other countries. How liberal does it get in those nations?

Do not obey in advance.
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#171569: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:58:23 PM

49% of Americans are ignorant, bigoted shitstains.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#171570: Jan 31st 2017 at 2:00:01 PM

[up][up] Economically speaking, the American left is very moderate. On social issues we're probably more progressive than many European countries. The United States is weird like that.

edited 31st Jan '17 2:00:14 PM by CaptainCapsase

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#171571: Jan 31st 2017 at 2:01:31 PM

I'm afraid I don't know what it means to be economically moderate/left-wing/right-wing. ^^;

Do not obey in advance.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#171572: Jan 31st 2017 at 2:02:48 PM

What worries me the most about this: I have the feeling that Trump is just testing out with what he can get away. And I don't talk about the protests, I am talking about the executive in the US. If enough people buy into the "we have to follow the word of the state, no matter what" idea, than it won't matter how many people protest, they will be silenced, step by step.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#171573: Jan 31st 2017 at 2:04:48 PM

"We need to ban these people to protect us from terrorism!!"

Meanwhile police brutality against minorities, terrorism from christian extremists and white nationalists either don't happen or are all isolated incidents.

Sure is double standard up in here

By the way, the poll isn't that big. Only 1201 people answered it, 453 democrats and 478 republicans. So the results aren't exactly end-all be-all I think.

edited 31st Jan '17 2:06:19 PM by Draghinazzo

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#171574: Jan 31st 2017 at 2:05:13 PM

A Tale of Two Americas.

Jesusland needs to fuck off and start its own country. They can call themselves the Crusader States of America and take blonde Jesus overlaid on top of a Swastika for its flag.

They don't represent American ideals just American hypocrisies.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#171575: Jan 31st 2017 at 2:05:22 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Nope. On race relations we do alright, but that's because we have to face those demons. We are still short-changing the Native Americans though. On LGBT issues, Europe resolved those long before we even began to think about it. In Europe, religion is generally no longer a prerequisite to function in everyday society, whereas in parts of the US town hall meetings may be held in religious buildings too, with all the implications that carries. Charity and homeless shelters tend to be church-run too, with the local governments turning a blind eye.

Urban America may be different, but Urbana comes with her own baggage.

edited 31st Jan '17 2:06:11 PM by blkwhtrbbt

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