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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#171526: Jan 31st 2017 at 11:58:44 AM

[up] You're right, we're jumping into conclusions from sources too much.

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#171527: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:00:30 PM

[up][up] I think you're talking sense there. Civil disobedience, on a massive scale, is going to be one of our only and best weapons. Although mind you—I don't think they would hesitate for a second before ordering them to shoot us. And it doesn't always work out badly for them. Look at China post-Tiananmen Square. They slaughtered protestors, and it basically worked. (I know they weren't a democratic regime, but hell—neither is the Trump administration.)

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the Congressional Democrats to act, that's for sure. Half of them seem to be asleep at the wheel, and even the ones who aren't seem to have yet to grasp just how dire the situation really is. If they don't legislate like there's no tomorrow, there may very well be no tomorrow. (Figuratively speaking. I hope.)

Here's a question—what about Jerry Brown activating the National Guard and instructing them to enforce the court order? The National Guard in each state answers to the Governor, right? Or would that likely lead to disaster, when two armed forces with contradictory orders come into conflict with each other?

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#171528: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:01:54 PM

[up] America experienced democracy longer than China Fish, no need to compare the two just yet in terms of bleak scenarios of slaughter.

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LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#171529: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:03:06 PM

Also, now is not the time for finger-pointing within the Democrats.

By which I mean, Bernie was not the messiah, stop pretending like he would have been, people.

edited 31st Jan '17 12:03:33 PM by LinkToTheFuture

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#171530: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:09:17 PM

Bernardito Arenas would have been El Presidente! at least, not a Chavez

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#171531: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:10:23 PM

Hey guys, do you think that this would be the perfect song of the resistance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf9NSd_2avA

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#171532: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:12:17 PM

WaPo: New Executive Orders Floating Around Would Further Restrict Immigration

The Trump administration is considering a plan to weed out would-be immigrants who are likely to require public assistance, as well as to deport — when possible — immigrants already living in the United States who depend on taxpayer help, according to a draft executive order obtained by The Washington Post.

If enacted, the executive orders would appear to significantly restrict all types of immigration and foreign travel to the United States, expanding bars on entry to the country that Trump ordered last week with his temporary ban on refugees and people from seven majority Muslim countries.

Jesus.

edited 31st Jan '17 12:12:29 PM by TacticalFox88

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LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#171533: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:14:29 PM

So basically "fuck non-rich foreigners?"

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#171534: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:15:45 PM

[up][up] They won't fucking allow it.

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#171536: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:17:08 PM

Another option is a general strike, hit them where it hurts most: their wallets. Yeah, it wouldn't be a legal strike but what they are going to do, fire the entire workforce and replace them with the cheap immigrant labour they are deporting?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#171537: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:17:19 PM

Both the Dems and people.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#171538: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:21:21 PM

The Dems have no legal power right now, and the public can only keep protesting.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#171539: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:24:13 PM

Sitting back and saying 'they wouldn't allow it' is exactly would what will let it happen.

And saying 'the people' would not let it happen is more or less predicting civil war.

edited 31st Jan '17 12:24:23 PM by Gilphon

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#171540: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:25:10 PM

Hey guys, do you think that this would be the perfect song of the resistance?

I was thinking more along the lines of this.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#171541: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:25:50 PM

Contrary to previous reports, Trump will not be signing his cybersecurity executive order today. Presumably he's waiting for the Kremlin to approve it.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#171542: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:26:27 PM

Several news sites adding further weight to Neil Gorsuch being the president's pick for the supreme court. A few theorize that the pick was less about him and more due to the fact that his mother was the corrupt head of the EPA under Reagan and as such he carries more political weight. A few ex-Obama staff seem to like him.

He's purported to be heavily invested in constitutional "originalism" and gives his support to company-wide religious exemptions regarding contraception and sexual minority rights.

edited 31st Jan '17 12:29:54 PM by carbon-mantis

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#171543: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:34:06 PM

Trump's basically running the Apprentice, white house edition in regards to his political appointments, so it's entirely possible he'll pull somebody out of nowhere after snubbing the top contenders.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#171544: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:35:30 PM

I'm at the point now, where I fully and wholly wished Obama had refused to step down.

If we were going to be fucked either way with a constitutional and crisis, then fuck it.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#171545: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:36:30 PM

How about this: "We wont let him."

But the logic behind what they are doing is that conservative voters dont like foreigners coming here and then living on the taxpayers dime.

Acceptable Targets, basically.

edited 31st Jan '17 12:38:53 PM by DeMarquis

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#171547: Jan 31st 2017 at 12:43:40 PM

I'm glad to hear that Paul Ryan is suffering, at least.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#171548: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:00:50 PM

California is considering becoming a sanctuary state.

California state legislators on Tuesday advanced a bill that would make the entire state a sanctuary for undocumented immigrants, in defiance of President Trump’s stated plans to deport millions of people.

The Senate Public Safety Committee approved the California Values Act on a party-line vote Tuesday morning. The measure now moves to the floor of the state Senate, where Democrats control a super majority.

The committee heard testimony on the bill offered by Senate President Kevin de León (D) that would prohibit state and local law enforcement agencies from spending money to enforce federal immigration laws. The measure would also ban immigration enforcement in state schools, health facilities and courthouses.

“We will not stand by and let the federal government use our state and local agencies to separate mothers from their children,” de León said in December, when he introduced what he calls the California Values Act.

The fight over sanctuary status could put billions of dollars in federal funding for California programs at risk. Trump on Wednesday signed an executive order pledging to withhold federal money from cities and states that do not comply with federal immigration laws. The order requires the Secretary of Homeland Security to designate so-called “sanctuary jurisdictions” that refuse to share immigration status information with federal officials. Some legal scholars question whether the executive order is constitutional, based on the 10th Amendment and previous court precedents. If Trump’s Homeland Security department goes ahead with plans to block federal funding, lawsuits are almost certain.

California resistance is starting to become scary. I'm afraid that Trump is going to send troops into my home state.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#171549: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:02:39 PM

If that happens, it would touch off some kind of rebellion by CA and the blue states, I guarantee it. I don't think that'll happen.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#171550: Jan 31st 2017 at 1:02:45 PM

Gotta say though that I'm really proud of my state and digging the name. California Values Act.cool


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