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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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As would Virginia, Washington D.C., Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey and New York City.
Also:
Kevin McAleenan, acting commissioner of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency, said these refugees would be granted waivers. He said that was allowed for under the order, in instances where refugees were ready for travel and stopping them would cause "undue hardship."
McAleenan said this was being done in concert with the State Department. He said 872 refugees will be arriving this week and will processed for waivers through the end of the week.
He was speaking at a news conference Tuesday about the administration's new immigration restrictions, which also suspends arrival by nationals from seven predominantly Muslim nations.
Expect McAleenan to lose his job soon.
edited 31st Jan '17 11:20:08 AM by DingoWalley1
So, just read How to Build an Autocracy
This isn't everything relevant, but its a long article, so some short(er) points... (We're effectively on the front lines of future warfare, and of a kind with no dragon to slay. At least it's not 40K.) note
...once the president-elect lent his prestige to the crazy claim, it became fact for many people. A survey by You Gov found that by December 1, 43 percent of Republicans accepted the claim that millions of people had voted illegally in 2016.
A clear untruth had suddenly become a contested possibility. When CNN’s Jeff Zeleny correctly reported on November 28 that Trump’s tweet was baseless, Fox’s Sean Hannity accused Zeleny of media bias—and then proceeded to urge the incoming Trump administration to take a new tack with the White House press corps, and to punish reporters like Zeleny. “I think it’s time to reevaluate the press and maybe change the traditional relationship with the press and the White House,” Hannity said. “My message tonight to the press is simple: You guys are done. You’ve been exposed as fake, as having an agenda, as colluding. You’re a fake news organization.”
“Populist-fueled democratic backsliding is difficult to counter,” wrote the political scientists Andrea Kendall-Taylor and Erica Frantz late last year. “Because it is subtle and incremental, there is no single moment that triggers widespread resistance or creates a focal point around which an opposition can coalesce … Piecemeal democratic erosion, therefore, typically provokes only fragmented resistance.” Their observation was rooted in the experiences of countries ranging from the Philippines to Hungary. It could apply here too.
If people retreat into private life, if critics grow quieter, if cynicism becomes endemic, the corruption will slowly become more brazen, the intimidation of opponents stronger. Laws intended to ensure accountability or prevent graft or protect civil liberties will be weakened.
If the president uses his office to grab billions for himself and his family, his supporters will feel empowered to take millions. If he successfully exerts power to punish enemies, his successors will emulate his methods.
Many of the worst and most subversive things Trump will do will be highly popular. Voters liked the threats and incentives that kept Carrier manufacturing jobs in Indiana...What happens in the next four years will depend heavily on whether Trump is right or wrong about how little Americans care about their democracy and the habits and conventions that sustain it. If they surprise him, they can restrain him.
Trump and his team count on one thing above all others: public indifference...Public opinion, public scrutiny, and public pressure still matter greatly in the U.S. political system. In January, an unexpected surge of voter outrage thwarted plans to neutralize the independent House ethics office. That kind of defense will need to be replicated many times. Elsewhere in this issue, Jonathan Rauch describes some of the networks of defense that Americans are creating.
If citizens learn that success in business or in public service depends on the favor of the president and his ruling clique, then it’s not only American politics that will change. The economy will be corrupted too, and with it the larger culture. A culture that has accepted that graft is the norm, that rules don’t matter as much as relationships with those in power, and that people can be punished for speech and acts that remain theoretically legal—such a culture is not easily reoriented back to constitutionalism, freedom, and public integrity.
Express your support and sympathy for journalists attacked by social-media trolls, especially women in journalism, so often the preferred targets. Honor civil servants who are fired or forced to resign because they defied improper orders. Keep close watch for signs of the rise of a culture of official impunity, in which friends and supporters of power-holders are allowed to flout rules that bind everyone else.
Those citizens who fantasize about defying tyranny from within fortified compounds have never understood how liberty is actually threatened in a modern bureaucratic state: not by diktat and violence, but by the slow, demoralizing process of corruption and deceit. And the way that liberty must be defended is not with amateur firearms, but with an unwearying insistence upon the honesty, integrity, and professionalism of American institutions and those who lead them. We are living through the most dangerous challenge to the free government of the United States that anyone alive has encountered. What happens next is up to you and me. Don’t be afraid. This moment of danger can also be your finest hour as a citizen and an American.
Now see, a "big one" in the sense of a flood (such as the 1861-1862 floods, their medieval and prehistoric counterparts, or the smaller scenario "ARkstorm"), these might cause California to go under. Only for some months, max, though.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanRule of law is officially being disregarded. Reports from LA that US Marshals--the enforcement tool of the judiciary--are refusing to enforce the federal court orders.
They've been instructed to take orders only from the US Attorney's Office. And the US Attorney's Office is dancing on the strings of some unknown party.
Everybody was so sure our institutions could protect us from autocracy. Obviously not.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."I'm sure Alex Jones and friends will begin ranting about the imminent tyrannical takeover that they've been screaming about for years.
Any second now.
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Hell if I know. The courts are reliant on the executive branch to enforce their rulings, and the executive branch is both flipping them off and staging a coup of the US Marshals.
The new regime is flaunting their ability to ignore our courts. If this is allowed to stand, it may very well be all over for us, because it means that they have literally no checks on their power. With control of every branch of government, and complete contempt for federal law, they are answerable to no one.
edited 31st Jan '17 11:33:36 AM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
We're pretty much the only remaining barrier between the US and authoritarianism, yes. Our leaders' hands are tied and our institutions have been corrupted. We're on our own, and it's been that way for a while.
But what, practically, can we do? March in the streets and be ignored, then possibly arrested once they manage to pass their laws criminalizing protest?
They protested the Nazis too. It's not enough by itself.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."In the United States, we have the right to arrest those who violate the law, even if we are not law enforcement. Citizen's Arrests are legal through out the whole United States. If anything, the Lawyers and Citizens who were denied the right to meet with those Detained, should have used their right to Arrest those who do not follow the Courts.
In the United States, we also have the right to form Militia's and to keep and bear arms. We can form independent Militias to prevent any Police or Military Force from ignoring the Courts and attacking American Citizens.
This is what we must do to protect America's democracy.
What are we going to do, march into Dulles and declare we're arresting every CBP official who won't comply with the court order? Do the same for the US Marshals, ICE, and DHS? Best case scenario, they laugh in our faces. Worst case, they arrest us.
Let's say we do, somehow, place them under citizen's arrest. Who's going to charge and sentence them? The institutions that are coming apart at the seams before our very eyes? The courts who are being utterly ignored by the government?
And forming actual armed militias in resistance to the Trump regime? Best case scenario there is a slaughter when the government sends out troops to "restore order." Worst case, civil war. We've talked a lot about the possibility of a second American Civil War—taking up arms in defiance of the government, however justified it may be, would be a good way to kickstart it.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
First, let's wait up until the Dems in congress take action for it.
And the best case should be that not even the Republican soldiers will try and dare to shoot their own people, and even the officers will defy what Trump says.
edited 31st Jan '17 11:54:54 AM by Luigisan98
The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.Again, slow down. I haven't seen this report confirmed by reputable news sources yet, it's only on twitter. Even if true, it's only the LA office, meaning that something like 95% of all US Marshalls are still doing their job. Most of the government are still doing their jobs.
But in the end? If nothing works? We get a huge crowd together and we escort those people out of the airports. Then we shut down the major cities, and we make governing the country impossible. What can they do, shoot us? Historically, when democratic regimes shoot non-violent protesters, it doesn't end well for them. The last one to try it was Nixon, and we all know what happened to him.
Another thing to remember- none of this is new, it has all happened before.
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.

I am thinking more of Florida drowning. Much of California is high enough not to drown. Florida on the other hand...
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman