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Asgore Adopts Noelle
An executive order can't make Gay Marriage Illegal; the Supreme Court has made Gay Marriage Legal through out the whole country. Any EO that tries to do that would be immediately challenged and found Unconstitutional.
Yeah, I post on a few subreddits and I think each subreddit has its own particular culture. It's easy to find Trump supporters there mostly because it's such a big place.
Also, I would really not be surprised if their plan is to post order after ridiculous order on a daily to weekly basis to exhaust the population early. I don't really know what you all are supposed to do about that either.
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Of course I know that, I'm a lot on /r/Enoughtrumpspam, /r/bluemidterm2018 (guys, check that one out, it may be useful), /r/Askhistorians, /r/Askliterarystudies, and some of the other sane (sane-ish?) subs. The thing is that Reddit does have site-wide rules (even if it may not look like it), and the_donald, altright, and similar cesspools the shittiest parts of humanity have extensively broken those rules, but they only ban those kinds of subs when they appear on the news.
Crossposting from Canadian politics:
After Quebec shooting, white nationalists, Twitter bots, and Fox News spread misinformation.
...
But before police in Quebec had offered any details about what occurred during the attack, RT News, a state-owned Russian company, issued an alert that appeared on every page of its website claiming the shooter shouted "God is great" in Arabic while carrying out the murders. Fox News followed suit. The report was wholly unverified, originating from an anonymous tip provided to a Canadian radio station early Monday morning.
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The concerted spread of misinformation goes to show that even terrorist attacks targeting Muslim communities can be spun by white nationalists to inflame resentment towards Muslims and refugees.
This was exemplified by none other than White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer, who inexplicably used the attack - once again, carried out by a Canadian citizen - as evidence of why Trump's travel ban on Muslim-majority countries was necessary.
This was almost certainly a cowardly terrorist attack carried out on innocent people - don't let anyone forget that.
edited 30th Jan '17 4:18:16 PM by Pseudopartition
Trump has backed away from Investigating "Illegal Voting"
, at least according to Sean Spicer. They're still spreading the lie of 3-5 Million Illegal Votes, though.
That's one Victory, at least, but we've gotta make sure Trump doesn't try to sneak an Investigation while we're not looking.
Seah Spicer is the new Iraqi Information Minister (I should do that photoshop mashup if not beaten to it) and I'd take anything he says as false unless it's independently confirmed.
Reading the comments of that /r/military thread, this
jumped out:
The reason (Sec. Def. Mattis) garners so much respect is that he has constantly been an advocate for both officers and enlisted. He has real world experience and is the most qualified for the position. You should be really really fucking glad that he is sec def. because if the president asks him to do something unlawful with the military that will fall on the service members when it comes crashing down he will refuse. I am not sure anyone else that trump would nominate would. At the end I will take the potential for a military junta over a fucking yes man that's going to get my brothers and sisters killed.
This is somewhat unrelated, but I'm worried that, given Trump's extreme anti-intellectualism, Pence's fundamentalism, and Bannon's megalomania, it's only a matter of time before they start trying to censor art and entertainment. They already want to control how people think, and the United States already has a history of censorship. And, while not censorship, Trump is planning to eliminate
the National Endowment for The Arts, which doesn't bode well. I hope my fears are unjustified and I'm simply overreacting, but I really don't know anymore.
edited 30th Jan '17 4:59:53 PM by iflewaway
somethingI don't think they'll directly censor art (at first), but simply starve it instead, as you already cited. And perhaps provide incentives only if they like what they see.
Of course, massive corporations would have the least to worry about should that be the case. Even now, punishing businesses seems more far-fetched than murdering civilians. See.
edited 30th Jan '17 4:55:15 PM by Eschaton
On the subject of how the military feels about Trump. I have American friends (current and former military) who have been working hard share across Social Media, solidarity with opposing Trump's presidency (and they are a mixture of Democrat and Republican voters).
In particular, Bannon's role in the NSC worries them deeply. They keep spreading the word that one of the NSC's jobs is to neutralise any threat to American security, no due process - the decision is made and carried out... that 'threat' includes the execution of American citizens deemed to be a threat to national security. Bannon's role puts him in charge of that — it's that, more than anything, that has them, and their military connections trying to educate anyone who will listen about what the NSC's job entails.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.![]()
What are the odds that Trump's going to cancel that Business meeting now that the Uber CEO made a stink over this Ban? Or at least, kick him out of the Group?
Still, most of the Business leaders going to that meeting are very Liberal. They might finally get Trump to realize that what he's doing is highly, highly toxic to America, especially American Businesses.
On the subject of that list, here's a thing about Elon Musk and why his name on that list shouldn't be taken as an automatic black mark
. He's not exactly stopping his plans to take his (environmental-leaning) businesses global, he is investing big in automation, he's still in favor of a carbon tax.
Starving is a method of censorship.
You know how policy is formed or opposed, don't you? It requires evidence. Which requires statistical analysis. Which requires data collection.
Poverty statistics, immigration statistics, abortion statistics, teenage pregnancy statistics, homeownership statistics, pollution statistics, environmental statistics, LGBT+ statistics, disability statistics.... demography statistics that contribute to political boundary decisions (impartially or via gerrymandering). And so on.
Well, US statisticians have been talking to The Guardian and they're very, very concerned about how Trump's administration will be using and abusing and funding statistics. While all of this chaos has been going on with the Muslim ban, the Republicans have put through Bills that will render the 2015 Housing Regulation toothless simply by defunding the data collection of the statistics (on racial segregation in housing) that the regulation requires to function.
By defunding data collection, statistical evidence dries up.
If there are no statistics, there is no proof.
Without proof, activists lose the power of their argument. Worse, they cannot make the argument.
Even worse, regulations and laws that require statistical evidence can no longer function.
And, the worst scenario of all... replacing the gap via private companies who can keep their agendas and methodologies secret, escape both national and international statistical oversight and therefore create statistics to fit any narrative desired for the right price.
In short, social statistics (and therefore social laws and programmes) are under threat, whereas big business needs economic statistics so economic statistics might possibly be okay if businesses successfully lobby for them.
Link:
Statisticians fear Trump White House will manipulate figures to fit narrative
In a press conference on Monday, the White House spokesman, Sean Spicer, told journalists: “The president, he’s not focused on statistics as much as he is on whether or not the American people are doing better as a whole.” But without statistics, measuring how “the American people are doing” is simply a matter of opinion.
It’s not the first time the president’s team has questioned public data. In August, the then presidential candidate described the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) unemployment numbers as “phoney”, claiming: “The 5% figure is one of the biggest hoaxes in American modern politics.” In the same speech, Trump suggested alternative data, adding: “The number’s probably 28, 29, as high as 35. In fact, I even heard recently 42%.”
During the first week of his presidency, external communication by the EPA and the interior, agriculture and health departments was halted.
Speaking on the phone in the first days of her retirement, Wallman explained that many new administrations “don’t necessarily understand the autonomy of the statistical agencies”. Other statisticians have described a range of ways in which public data might be influenced by the Trump administration.
The most frequently cited is simply the defunding of specific statistical programs. This is already under way. Two Republican-sponsored bills are attempting to nullify a 2015 housing regulation aimed at addressing racial segregation in cities such as Baltimore and Chicago, simply by halting data collection. The new bills, which together are titled the Local Zoning Decisions Protection Act of 2017, state that “no Federal funds may be used to design, build, maintain, utilize, or provide access to a Federal database of geospatial information on community racial disparities”.
Defunding public data is also an effective tool in silencing activists. As a former Census Bureau employee explained: “You can’t talk about discrimination if there’s no data there to support it.” The employee, like most of the statisticians the Guardian spoke with, asked not to be named for fear that they would not be able to work for federal agencies in the future.
But many statisticians believe that economic indicators are likely to be protected from possible manipulation by the administration because the business community relies so heavily on accurate numbers. Indeed, Erica Groshen, the outgoing head of the BLS, expressed the most optimism of any of the statisticians interviewed.
According to Prewitt, there are simple ways to make adjustments to the way data is calculated that affects the final numbers.
“What people do not understand,” he explained: “If you control the denominator, you control everything.”
Denominators are used in virtually every single public statistic. For example, the Census Bureau publishes data which shows that one in four US Hispanics lives in poverty (specifically, 11.2 million out of 48.2 million Hispanics in the US). To change that statistic, you can either change people’s lives or, more simply, you can change the way that you count who is and who is not Hispanic – then, the statistic can become one in three, one in 10, one in whatever.
As a former Census Bureau statistician explained, once you change the statistics, “you can write your own narrative. You can tell people how sick they are or how safe they are.”
edited 30th Jan '17 5:35:41 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Regarding art, I fear quiet starvation more than overt oppression. I want Bannon to gather all the work and put it in the slums, where people will know where to see them.
God forgive me, I want Trump to go after LGBTQ rights as loud as possible, just like he's persecuting Muslims. Because if he's quiet, I can guarantee that we'll just have a repeat of the election, where half the country stood aside with their thumbs up their ass, and all those #Trump Regrets decided that they weren't at risk.
Thread on how the only hope of beating Trump and his cronies is to unite and organize immediately.
And also a key point—look at what Bannon and company have done in their first week. Multiply that by two years. Does anyone actually think they're going to risk having free elections, be it the midterms or the presidency?
You know, I've been thinking, has anyone else, thought, with all the crap that's gone on in the past week and a half that we're at the tip of the iceberg?
I just can't shake the feeling that shit hasn't gotten real quite yet.
Something is coming. What exactly, I don't know.
New Survey coming this weekend!
Better believe it. We're only what, ten days in? Ten days of four years?
I'm sorry to say it, but it's going to get much worse from here. It's gotten worse every single day since the election—no reason to think it's going to stop any time soon.
All the more reason to unite and organize now, while we still can.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."Damn right. Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we live in an authoritarian kleptocracy.note
The ACLU vows to fight any anti-LGBT executive orders just as they are fighting the Muslim ban.
Those donations they received are going to be put to good use pretty soon.
Also, did people hear that the ACLU has received nearly $25 million in donations since Saturday? For reference, the usual sum total of donations they receive in a year is about $3-4 million.
edited 30th Jan '17 6:01:44 PM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."Well, technically, I live in Canada, but since we are wedged right between an authoritarian kleptocracy... and Russia, it's not exactly a stable situation.
Welcome to the Free American Empire and just remember, this all could have been prevented except EMAILS MAN, EMAILS.
edited 30th Jan '17 6:19:10 PM by Balmung
