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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#171226: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:25:12 PM

[up][up] Such is the nature of the authoritarian. The will of the people doesn't mean jack shit unless you're in a democracy.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
iflewaway someone from somewhere Since: Dec, 2016
someone
#171227: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:25:19 PM

[up][up]Considering how much American law enforcement likes harassing and killing minorities even when not given explicit orders, I'm not optimistic.

[down] That too. We cannot count on the police to protect us.

edited 30th Jan '17 2:27:06 PM by iflewaway

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#171228: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:26:17 PM

We already see customs agents refusing to follow the court order despite it legally superseding Trump's executive order.

Oh really when?
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#171230: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:29:03 PM

@Mad Skillz: Already posted.

Re: law enforcement picking a side. We already know which side the largest police union in the country is on. There'll be pockets of resistance (I believe the police chief of LA has stated that he will not comply with any mass deportation orders), but overall we can't count on them to back us.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#171231: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:29:15 PM

@The Handle: Yeah, and look at what that did: It pissed off Conservatives and Objectivist Libertarians to the point they actively aligned with the Alt-Right and, more importantly, Trump. All Executive Orders have done for the past 6 Years (and then the next 4) is pissed off one side of the Nation and increased Sectarianism, and given more power to the increasingly powerful President who is currently Trump. Trump being President is enough for me to be convinced that Executive Orders need to be ended: Only Congress should create Laws, and even a Conservative Congress is better then Trump doing whatever the hell he wants with one document.

@Fighteer: Democracy in the USA isn't dead yet; People are still, and constantly, Protesting, Democrats are still in Congress and in States (even if they can't do much), a number of Republicans have spoken out against Trump, even if they don't always, and the Courts are still independent.

When all the Protesters are arrested or Shot, when all the Democrats and 'Disloyal' Republicans are in jail, when all the Courts are packed with Alt-Right Leninist and Anarchists, then I will say American Democracy is dead. Until then, we must keep fighting to keep it alive.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#171232: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:29:52 PM

What sort of power do the individual states have to resist stuff like this?

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
iflewaway someone from somewhere Since: Dec, 2016
someone
#171233: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:29:53 PM

I guess this means that the Rogue POTUS account is either legit or more of Bannon's disinformation.

[up] Some, but if the government is really going into full authoritarianism, it doesn't matter.

edited 30th Jan '17 2:31:30 PM by iflewaway

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#171234: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:30:42 PM

Seeems like Dems are going to filibuster Trumps nominee no matter who it is for SCOTUS

New Survey coming this weekend!
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#171235: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:31:07 PM

Yeah, as I said a few pages back, my benefit of the doubt toward the CBP officials has steadily evaporated.

Marshals get their job assignments from the courts. The test will be how they respond if they are called out here.

Local police depends on the locality. It's a mix of good and bad.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#171236: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:31:29 PM

@Link To The Future: A decent amount, actually. But there are also ways for the federal government to try to lean on them and browbeat them into submission. The Fuhrer already signed an executive order (Christ) cutting federal funding from sanctuary states/cities.

edited 30th Jan '17 2:31:39 PM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#171237: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:34:07 PM

Rumor has it that Sessions is calling black lawmakers in Alabama, trying to convince them to voice their support for him. Sounds like he may be a bit nervous about his AG nomination—although probably needlessly so. The Congressional GOP will vote for him no matter what, and that's all it takes.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#171238: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:35:33 PM

I am so so glad I'm in California. I'm proud of my adopted home state. We have to resist this in any way we can. I'm watching this space to see what kind of developments are, as I think this is where we'll see what kind of administration we're dealing with.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
iflewaway someone from somewhere Since: Dec, 2016
someone
#171239: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:36:51 PM

I live in the midwest, so I'm probably fucked. Trump's policies will completely destroy the local industries, but the hicks will always vote for him anyway. At least I probably don't have to worry about Trump deploying the army here, although my county went blue so he might deploy them anyway.

edited 30th Jan '17 2:46:03 PM by iflewaway

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#171240: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:37:42 PM

California's awesome, yes. They're making no secret of the defiance of the Trump regime.

Possibly important: this person believes that the Rogue POTUS account is in fact Russian in origin, meant as misinformation. As evidence, they point to a number of easy-to-miss linguistic errors, consistent with a Russian speaker unfamiliar with the proper way of writing certain English idioms.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#171241: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:42:19 PM

This entire year reeks of Paranoia Fuel.

Inter arma enim silent leges
iflewaway someone from somewhere Since: Dec, 2016
someone
#171242: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:44:17 PM

It will only get worse.

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CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#171243: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:44:58 PM

I live in the midwest, so I'm probably fucked.
I see your Midwest and raise you one Deep South...

Also bureaucracies are inherently staffed by people who aspire to do the job. CBP would attract people gung-ho about deportation just as the EPA attracts environmentalists. Not necessarily good, but that may prove critical when trying to figure out which enforcement agency to turn to for some particular situation.

I don't know about abroad, but ethics here is an oft-mocked thing that's barely taught or emphasized. I doubt the CBP even knows the constitutional significance of its actions. It's a mistake to think actors go into a situation fully aware of their impact, even if its their responsibility to be aware.

edited 30th Jan '17 2:47:23 PM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#171244: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:52:00 PM

Does the average American really care about restricting the rights of LGBT+ people? Or is an anti-LBGT+ EO just a pander to the fundamentalist bigots?

Do not obey in advance.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#171245: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:53:23 PM

[up][up][up]All the more reason for me to try and get to Canada. Speaking of which, it looks like there are a ton of schools that are willing to take in international students as long as you've got what it takes, (and I'm pretty damn sure I do,) so maybe this isn't as much of a pipe dream as part of me thought it was. The question though is if I should really do it. If I go for a Masters, that could put me in a shitton of debt if I can't get a scholarship, and there's no real guarantee of that. Whereas if I just go with any random degree, then that's just me taking a 2-4 year vacation, because I've got an associate's and a bachelor's already. Part of me wonders if I even should attempt it; if I should just stay here and tough out. But every day that passes is another day that tells me this is a sinking ship, and that it might be best just to get the heck off. Hell, if I'm lucky, maybe it'll have even righted itself by the time I got back.

Of course, having to pay $100 dollars just to send in a fucking application in some places doesn't exactly endear me to the idea anymore than it already has

edited 30th Jan '17 2:56:04 PM by kkhohoho

RabidTanker God-Mayor of Sim-Kind Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
God-Mayor of Sim-Kind
#171246: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:57:48 PM

@11: While I really don't care that much for the LGBT community, I don't approve of revoking the (relatively) small list of rights that they have.

After 2,000 years you'd expect that the homophobia and transphobia would've died out by now.

Answer no master, never the slave Carry your dreams down into the grave Every heart, like every soul, equal to break
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#171247: Jan 30th 2017 at 3:00:39 PM

...I'm afraid you lost me at "I don't really care that much for the LGBT community."

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#171248: Jan 30th 2017 at 3:01:19 PM

Yeah, could you elaborate a bit on that?

Oh really when?

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