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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
But what purpose would faking a rogue twitter account serve? Discredit the opposition by luring them into outrage over fake decrees? That would require Trump not creating real outrage over real decrees. Undermine Trump? He does that all on his own.
The most logical reason for doubting it being real isn't that it's a conspiracy, but that it is simply communicating specific details that can't be verified, while at the same time communicating something that everybody already knows: that the white house is a shitshow.
edited 30th Jan '17 2:10:29 PM by Eschaton
A Washington Post columnist says he has reliable information suggesting that an anti-LGBT EO is indeed in the pipe.
Again, important to note that this doesn't necessarily verify the Rogue POTUS account as legit.
But either way, better brace ourselves. I have a feeling we know what next weekend's protest is going to be about.
To create misinformation while obfuscating their true agenda, and perhaps creating the illusion of weakness in places where there is none, causing the opposition force to waste their energy.
edited 30th Jan '17 2:11:20 PM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."![]()
The executive branch, however, is the one granted the power of enforcing laws and such by the Constitution. The courts have very little in the way of compulsive power, relying mainly on law enforcement to make their rulings stick. Congress, similarly, has no army — when it comes down to it, they're just a bunch of folks in a pretty building voting on stuff.
The executive branch has the police, the army, the Secret Service, the vast array of lawyers — it has all the operational and enforcement business of government. If Trump owns that, then Congress and the Supreme Court can issue laws and rulings until they're blue in the face. We will have seen a true coup d'etat in this nation. The only people with the power to fight it will be that self-same military and police force. Plus possibly individual states declaring war and mobilizing their National Guard forces.
edited 30th Jan '17 2:14:50 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@Dingo: That's what the US Marshals are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marshals_Service
There is a legal step between now and calling them in though and that's a contempt of court charge, which is in the process of being fought for at least for Dulles (DC) Airport.
And that's what's so terrifying. Because by all appearances, that is exactly what we are witnessing unfold before our very eyes—a coup of the government, and open defiance of the law.
I mean, CBP officials are ignoring a federal court order and freezing out Congresspeople who attempt to intervene. Don't forget the Judicial branch of government mysteriously disappearing last night, the timing of which cannot be ignored. We may very well be through the looking glass here.
Hear, hear. It may already be too late.
edited 30th Jan '17 2:16:05 PM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."No, see, all it needs is for the people who would be doing the enforcing to be the ones doing the ignoring.
Like, for example, that one EO that might be coming about forcing two regulations to be removed for every new one introduced. If the GOP says 'yeah, no, we're not doing that', then that's the end of that.
Exactly. The Executive Branch of Government is the Enforcing the Law Branch of Government, they control the Police, Military and Special Forces of the entire Country. Executive Orders, however, give the President partial Legislative, IE Law Creating, Powers, so long as they don't require a budget, which is solely Congress's power. The Judicial Branch, the weakest Branch in the Constitution, can only Interpret the Laws based on the Constitution and other laws, and that's it.
The Judicial Branch needs to have an Armed Force of their own to enforce their Interpretation of the law. And I really really think that Executive Orders should be outlawed.
Well, crap. That's worse then denying Transgenders the Right to the Right Bathroom.
I bet so many "Gays for Trump" will be so infuriated. This move might literally kill the Log Cabin Republican Movement...
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Considering that the Marshals is a part of the Department of Justice (a part of the Executive Branch of Government) which is headed by the US Attorney General, I'm going to say: No, they are not. They are entirely dependent on the Executive Branch, not the Judicial Branch. I am proposing a Law Enforcement Agency that only answers to Courts and Justices, not to an Executive Department.
edited 30th Jan '17 2:21:54 PM by DingoWalley1
President Barack Obama's orders protect approximately one in five workers across the nation.
The official also acknowledged that discussions have included creating what would amount to a loophole allowing federal employees to discriminate or refuse service on the basis of "sincerely-held religious beliefs."
The White House did not immediately respond to NCRM's request for comment.
There are no religious exemptions in the executive orders President Obama signed.
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You can't outlaw executive orders. They're covered under separation of powers; the President uses them to execute the duties of his office. Normally, Congress determines those duties, but if the executive branch openly defies both Congress and the courts, then it's really up to the institutional ethics of the men and women whose job it is to uphold the Constitution over any one President's whims. Can Trump compel the nation's police and military to do his bidding? If so, we are royally screwed.
There aren't enough Marshals to offer more than token resistance against the national military apparatus. Their job is to serve warrants, apprehend and deliver fugitives, and such, not to fight civil wars.
edited 30th Jan '17 2:19:27 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
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So we're going to have to fight this, while simultaneously keeping up the pressure on the Muslim ban. And they're just getting started.
There is a real risk of the resistance being overwhelmed through sheer volume of bullshit here.
edited 30th Jan '17 2:19:00 PM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."Whether Bannon really intends to do so or not, he has taken his approach right out of the manual for How to Turn a Functioning Democracy into a Autocracy in Two Weeks. Look in the "X For Dummies" section of your local bookstore.
edited 30th Jan '17 2:21:29 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@Elle: It all depends on whether local and national law enforcement respect court rulings over orders handed down by their superiors. If the Chief Executive says "deport 'em" and the courts say "don't deport 'em", how many LEOs will obey? This is the truest test of our democratic institutions. How many LEOs believe the racist rhetoric themselves?
edited 30th Jan '17 2:24:32 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

There's no way under Trump's administration it'll happen, but maybe that's something the next Democrat President can create.