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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#171001: Jan 30th 2017 at 4:47:55 AM

"Are you really that fucking sure?! I've heard that the army officers don't like Trump and if that's that, then they won't do apeshit to murder their own citizens!"

The scum in the rank-and-file are mostly pro-Trump. When it comes down to how many guns you have on your side, does it really matter if their CO is anti-Trump?

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#171002: Jan 30th 2017 at 4:51:38 AM

Damn right it does: who relays the orders?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#171003: Jan 30th 2017 at 4:54:21 AM

The president is still commander-in-chief; if he wants us dead, those jackbooted thugs will make it happen.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#171004: Jan 30th 2017 at 4:58:21 AM

[up] Try and tell that to Silas.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#171005: Jan 30th 2017 at 5:05:22 AM

I mean, I would really like to hope that not everyone who's pro-Trump would open fire on their own country. More than they already did, I mean. I mean. Like actually literally shoot people. Again, more than they already did. Directly.

Only, like. 99%.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#171006: Jan 30th 2017 at 5:06:09 AM

[up] Are you mocking me?

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#171007: Jan 30th 2017 at 5:14:20 AM

When it comes down to how many guns you have on your side, does it really matter if their CO is anti-Trump?

Yes because most of them are pro-following orders. Besides half the military supported Trump during the election, meaning half didn't. On top of that supporting Trump during the election against Clinton and being willing to gun down unarmed civilians are not the same thing.

If you have any evidence to back up your absurd assertion that the entire rank and file are Trump worshippers willing to gun down unarmed civilians I'm all ears, but right now you seem to just be making things up.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#171008: Jan 30th 2017 at 5:15:47 AM

Nah, that's just unnoun's style of writing.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#171009: Jan 30th 2017 at 5:16:47 AM

Idaho lawmakers measured in assessing, critiquing Trump refugee ban

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article129514754.html

The response to the Muslim Ban from some of my red state's reps and senators.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#171010: Jan 30th 2017 at 5:18:20 AM

[up][up] It's true, I'm mocking everyone.

EDIT: The joke was that I was equating just voting for Trump with willingly opening fire upon and shooting at your own country.

In case there was some language barrier there.

edited 30th Jan '17 5:20:37 AM by unnoun

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#171011: Jan 30th 2017 at 5:20:17 AM

IIRC the military vote was split something close to 60-40 libertarian to Trump. Dems got less than ten percent.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#171012: Jan 30th 2017 at 5:28:25 AM

But I also recognized in the joke that not everyone who voted for Trump would. You know. Actually do that. Directly. Literally. With actual. Physical. Literal guns. That shoot actual lead/copper bullets. And not just angry tweets paired with Bannon's fascist rhetoric and policies.

[up] Yeah that's probably not good if civil wars actually happen. Between the democrats and republicans.

I mean, I dunno, how against fascists are libertarians? I think it's actually slightly less than Republicans maybe.

Although the original Nazis didn't like weed or sexual deviancy, so.

edited 30th Jan '17 5:30:21 AM by unnoun

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#171013: Jan 30th 2017 at 5:33:24 AM

I gotta admit this isn't a time to think about the horrible things that could happen if you decide to go out and protest until the president drops dead from an aneurysm, because those horrible things are also going to happen if you don't, except a little quieter.

Yes, that is indeed easy to say when I'm not the one at risk of being gunned down at a protest on the other side of the globe, but that doesn't really change that people are only going to get more complacent the longer their personal lives aren't affected, so this is the best time to rally and stand together for your rights.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#171014: Jan 30th 2017 at 5:34:13 AM

Neither do proper Conservatives. But Trump's people... I don't know, their guy seems high a lot of the time and, as for sexual deviancy, there's been leaks...

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#171015: Jan 30th 2017 at 5:47:01 AM

The joke was that I was equating just voting for Trump with willingly opening fire upon and shooting at your own country.

I'm not sure how that's a joke, some people in this thread seem to consider the two the exact same thing, that's why the amount of support Trump had against Clinton is being used as 'proof' that the military will be willing to mow down civilians. Even though even the Chinese couldn't get their troops loyal enough to do that to folks from their own region and had to bring in troops from other regions.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
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Professional Forum Ninja
#171016: Jan 30th 2017 at 5:47:50 AM

Trump to announce his Supreme Court nominee at 8 EST.

Oh shit, it's tomorrow, not tonight.

edited 30th Jan '17 5:53:14 AM by tclittle

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#171017: Jan 30th 2017 at 5:51:25 AM

...God he really is turning politics into a reality show.

Like. That's the most annoying thing he's doing, but I wish it was the only thing.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#171018: Jan 30th 2017 at 7:05:48 AM

Just a thing here: people are right to be pesimistic since trump is going to give hell to many, what is too far and really morbid is the idea of a massacre is going to happen or something like that, he dosent have the media on is side or the suport, being athoritarian dosent mean he can remake the country, that take sometimes and being smart.

of course, that dosent mean he isnt going to try(or more like it, Pence,Bannon and the other) so be carefull.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
iflewaway someone from somewhere Since: Dec, 2016
someone
#171019: Jan 30th 2017 at 7:17:36 AM

I think we should prepare for the worst. I would rather be wrong predicting a massacre or civil war than being wrong saying it's impossible. It's unwise to underestimate fascists.

edited 30th Jan '17 7:24:35 AM by iflewaway

something
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#171020: Jan 30th 2017 at 7:20:55 AM

Just a couple thoughts for the times from Tolerance is not a moral precept :

  • Tolerance is not a moral absolute; it is a peace treaty. Tolerance is a social norm because it allows different people to live side-by-side without being at each other’s throats. ...the model of a peace treaty differs from the model of a moral precept in one simple way: the protection of a peace treaty only extends to those willing to abide by its terms. It is an agreement to live in peace, not an agreement to be peaceful no matter the conduct of others. A peace treaty is not a suicide pact.
  • The antisocial member of the group, who harms other people in the group on a regular basis, need not be accepted; the purpose of your group’s acceptance is to let people feel that they have a home, and someone who actively tries to thwart this is incompatible with the broader purpose of that acceptance. Prejudice against Nazis is not the same as prejudice against Blacks, because one is based on people’s stated opposition to their neighbors’ lives and safety, the other on a characteristic that has nothing to do with whether they’ll live in peace with you or not.
  • Returning harassment...is likely to be proportional, although it is rarely effective — harassment usually occurs in a situation where the sides do not have equal power to harm each other in that way. On the other hand, acting to restrict the harassers’ ability to continue in the future — even at the expense of limiting their right to speak — may be both proportional and effective. But lining the aggressors up against a wall and shooting them would not only be disproportionate, it would be unlikely to restore the peace.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#171022: Jan 30th 2017 at 7:28:28 AM

[up][up][up]You are understimade them if you think they need something like killing to get things done, as someone who is living in authoritarian country in their more critic state I will tell you, they will go for the legal system first, so far they are falling

[up][up]tolerance is also a cease fire, even if you have diferent view you can be in the same space, trump and the GOP already move fast from that, the Dems should be strong and restore thing into a more aceptable level, if they can do that is the question

edited 30th Jan '17 7:28:54 AM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#171023: Jan 30th 2017 at 7:34:06 AM

CNB Cnow BREAKING: Trump to sign exec. order this morning requiring that for every 1 new regulation, 2 regulations have to be revoked - sr. official

https://mobile.twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/826081756713467908

Surely this won't backfire in anyway at all!

New Survey coming this weekend!
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#171024: Jan 30th 2017 at 7:43:29 AM

Un pasito palante, un pasito patrás! [lol]

Seriously, this is now comical.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#171025: Jan 30th 2017 at 7:46:04 AM

[up][up]Combo regulations?

The CEO of Ford claimed to Trump that US fuel economy regulations are risking 1 million American jobs. Questionable causation asides, he doesn't want them gone, rather unified nationwide and "aligned with market reality".

The National Automobile Dealers Association, however, does indeed want fuel efficiency and emissions regulations relaxed, claiming that the tech needed to hit the goals drives prices up. These guys have quite a bit of lobbying power - watch this space.

Shinzo Abe has retorted that the lack of American cars sold in Japan is really because American manufacturers are not making cars suited for the Japanese market. He's right. Not much else to say here.

Yes, the tariff on things made in Mexico will drive up American-made car prices too. Even if they are assembled in the US, the parts are made in Mexico...

edited 30th Jan '17 7:47:06 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot

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