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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
If Trump and co really are doing what that Medium article is suggesting and seeing if they can safely ignore the other two branches, a) that's horrifying, and b) I can't imagine that Congress or the judiciary would just sit there and take it.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas EdisonAre you really that fucking sure?! I've heard that the army officers don't like Trump and if that's that, then they won't do apeshit to murder their own citizens!
Or hell, it may just unleash a goddamn civil war because it's obvious that unlike China, the story with USA and the fight for independence will make people go to other greater lengths to oppose them and never fucking give up about it!
So all of you stop trying to take the pessimistic approach of it and start looking for the most hopeful scenario instead of one where all hope is lost! I'm getting tired of hearing that kind of scenario over and over again!
The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.A possible way out - if power is collected by the inner circle and results in bloodshed - is that the Republican leaders would be able to say "we were explicitly not a part of this" and thus have the justification to intervene. But whether they would have the support of their voters is a different question, and one I'd like to be more optimistic about. But by that point, they may very well be too late and too powerless anyways.
Sorry for being pessimistic, but from where I'm looking - and at the rate things are currently going - this shit ain't gonna end well.
edited 30th Jan '17 12:13:21 AM by Eschaton
I mean, it's possible if the legislative and judicial branches tried to oppose anything, they would be the first to die.
Trump put a portrait of Andrew Jackson back in the Oval Office. And as Jackson once said right before the Trail of Tears, "The courts have made their ruling, now let them enforce it."
The thing about Tiananmen Square that really sends a chill down my spine is the fact that even after that tragedy, China is still an authoritarian one-party state. They went full Ministry of Truth, and scrubbed out all information about the protest that wasn't in line with their politically convenient version of the events...and they got away with it. From what I have read, people in China have given up on democracy since.
I can only hope the same won't occur with the US.
edited 30th Jan '17 12:14:34 AM by Draghinazzo
Congress and the judiciary just taking it: Congress is still majority Republican, so it's unlikely that the Democrats can do much beyond ensuring that they can prove that they tried, short of some Republicans discovering principles.
The judiciary: Well, Scalia's dead. The problem is how exactly can the judiciary bring the hammer down - something the executive branch probably doesn't want to happen.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotWell, I don't know about that. Part of the reason China has such a strong grip on information is that their internet censorship is extremely meticulous and heinously well-crafted. People can bypass it without THAT much trouble, but only the tech-savvy and particularly invested are going to try and circumvent it. The chinese government allows them to do that because they know they have no real power to change anything. Most of the population is going to become complacent and fed on state-run and state-approved news.
And as far as the US is concerned, I'm not going to assume the worst will pass, but I'm just saying that this isn't something new or undocumented.
And that's the main difference when it comes to the US, something like T Ianamen would not happen like that!

Yep. Be prepared. We're going to have our own Tianemen Square very soon.