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DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#170901: Jan 29th 2017 at 8:44:23 PM

[up][up] On top of that, the new vetting system will purposefully make it harder for Muslims to get into the United States over Non-Muslims. It's essentially as close to a Muslim Ban as one can get without it actually being a ban.

So basically, it's still terrible, and it's still incredibly bigoted and xenophobic.

[down] It's because his lack of spine is literally that intense: He can't stand up to anyone, even if doing so would get him everything he wanted and more.

edited 29th Jan '17 8:46:29 PM by DingoWalley1

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#170902: Jan 29th 2017 at 8:45:08 PM

I mean, if Ryan could impeach Trump and then Pence, he gets the job by default.

Almost surprised he hasn't gotten on that.

Doubt it'd work, but I don't get the sense he's smart enough to know that.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#170903: Jan 29th 2017 at 8:50:56 PM

I doubt he'd impeach Pence - while I loathe him, he doesn't really scream "crooked and unfit for office" the way Trump does. Pence probably aligns more easily with the GOP anyway.

Besides, I imagine that, if the idea has indeed cross his mind, that Ryan believes that impeaching both of them would be seen by everyone as a blatant power play, and that would hardly create a favorable image for him.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#170904: Jan 29th 2017 at 8:51:34 PM

Ryan's not stupid, he might be able to take down Trump if he keeps going off the deep end. But Pence and him could work out a decent working relationship, social and fiscal conservatives have been working together for decades, despite the hypocrisy of the relationship.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#170905: Jan 29th 2017 at 8:53:18 PM

More from Rogue POTUS staff Twitter:

@Purdue CHM 261262 It's a complex dynamic. Bannon is effective at swaying POTUS with flattery and telling POTUS what he wants to hear. (cont)

@Purdue CHM 261262 POTUS doesn't fully trust #Unholy Trinity , which is why he invented job for Bannon, who he sees as "his" guy. Bannon

@Pursue CHM 261262 is POTUS' attempt to have a counterweight against #Unholy Trinity . He knows that Bannon trying to manipulate him too (cont)

@Purdue CHM 261262 but he thinks he can wield Bannon. POTUS needs #Unholy Trinity to govern, but needs Bannon in order to not lose power.(cont)

@Purdue CHM 261262 Both are attempting to use each other.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#170906: Jan 29th 2017 at 8:53:48 PM

Even dialing back on the grimness I've been showing . . . impeaching does fuckall. Seriously, it's just a scandal engine. It doesn't lead to ousting anybody. The ONLY way a President has been forcibly removed from office ever has been by the hand of God. Nixon could have been arrested and forcibly removed, but he stepped down on his own and Ford pardoned him.

Trump is still a golden boy to a lot of people. Impeaching him would be a wristslap that would mark the ones doing it as enemies. And Trump WOULD make a rallying call over it, whether anyone took it seriously or not. He'd play the persecuted hero and his core followers would eat it up.

Edited to correct something I realized was incorrect.

edited 29th Jan '17 8:56:09 PM by Journeyman

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#170907: Jan 29th 2017 at 8:53:58 PM

Pence tanked Indiana's economy and everyone in the state hated him. He was either going to get impeached from that job or lose his reelection, whichever came first. He had basically no political capital, which was why he wasn't at the GOP debates.

His only value to Trump was making him appeal more to evangelicals despite the fact that Trump is a womanizing narcissist.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#170908: Jan 29th 2017 at 8:57:01 PM

[up][up] I'm confused by what you're saying here - are you saying that impeaching can't actually remove someone from office? Because that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Granted, it's never gone that way before, but it easily could.

[up] I mean, I'm not saying that Pence is popular - I'm just saying that I don't see how they could remove him from this office without it looking like a power play, and if I was in the GOP, that'd be an image I'd want to avoid.

edited 29th Jan '17 9:01:17 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#170909: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:00:46 PM

I mean, I know impeachment is only the first step, but isn't there a constitutional procedure thingy whereby the legislature can convict afterwards, with removal from office being one consequence of that?

And, like, they can even prohibit someone from ever holding office again?

edited 29th Jan '17 9:02:16 PM by unnoun

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#170910: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:01:12 PM

Has anyone fucked things up this quickly before?

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#170911: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:02:32 PM

[up][up]That comes afterward. Impeachment itself is more like a censure.

[up]Hard to say. I wasn't alive when those bargain-bin antebellum Presidents were in office.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#170912: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:03:31 PM

[up][up] Not to my knowledge. Even going through every President we've had, I can't remember any of them making a complete hash of things within a week of assuming office.

The largest crisis to occur right off the bat that I can think of - the Civil War - was hardly Lincoln's fault (although the South would have claimed otherwise).

edited 29th Jan '17 9:04:56 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#170913: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:04:51 PM

If the charges hold a jail sentence (which is why Nixon resigned) then yes. I could buy the GOP having the spine eventually to impeach Trump, but to actually arrest him and remove him forcibly? That's the surest way to test how far his supporters are willing to go. He was the one elected to President. He's the one who chose to have Pence where he is. He's, sadly, the one with the most legitimacy of any of them. Any effort to remove him by force smacks of a power play, and Trump will do anything he can (especially with burn 'em all Bannon at his side) to rally his people to his cause.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#170914: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:06:14 PM

In regards to the impeachment process...I believe that the House voted to impeach Clinton, but the Senate ultimately refused to convict him, which I think would have removed him from office.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#170915: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:10:07 PM

Probably stupid question: What is this "Unholy Trinity" that everyone keeps bringing up?

edited 29th Jan '17 9:10:18 PM by speedyboris

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#170916: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:11:04 PM

Pence and Priebus are part of it. Not sure who #3 is.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#170917: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:11:30 PM

I'm gonna guess Preibus and Pence are part of it.

Would have assumed Bannon was the third guy.

edited 29th Jan '17 9:11:47 PM by unnoun

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170918: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:11:39 PM

Number 3 is Bannon, I think?

edited 29th Jan '17 9:12:08 PM by RBluefish

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DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#170919: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:11:47 PM

House Speaker Ryan, Senate Majority Leader McConnell and Reince Priebus.

[up]+[up][up] Bannon is not a part of that trinity.

edited 29th Jan '17 9:12:51 PM by DingoWalley1

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#170920: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:13:35 PM

Honestly, I thought it was Priebus, Bannon and Ryan.

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#170921: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:14:00 PM

Yes, the Airbnb offer of free residence for those affected by the ban has fine print - The owner of the building must be willing to let them stay for free first.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#170922: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:14:20 PM

U.S. Chief of staff, Reince Priebus, tells CBS' "Face the Nation" that a "buffet of options" remains. He says that could include a tax on goods coming across the border, import and export taxes - even a tax on drug cartels or fines to people who come to the U.S. illegally

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/articulo/english/2017/01/29/white-house-considers-tax-drug-cartels-pay-border-wall

These clowns are fucking idiots. Tax the cartels...

TAX THE FUCKING CARTELS TO PAY FOR THE WALL.

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Lost in Space
#170923: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:15:05 PM

I don't even know how that would work logistically, never mind from a political standpoint.

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170924: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:16:34 PM

A...tax? On cartels?

A tax on cartels?

Either their ignorance and incompetence truly knows no bounds, or they're signaling their intent to turn the US into an organized crime syndicate. And this is just the cover charge for any rival gangs who want to operate on our turf.

I'm not even kidding.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#170925: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:16:40 PM

An impeachment is basically the bringing of formal charges of wrongdoing. The House impeaches, the Senate holds the trial whether to convict and remove from office. House only needs a majority to impeach but the Senate requires a 2/3rds majority to convict. And all this is separate from other criminal proceedings that might ensue after the impeachment trial.

edited 29th Jan '17 9:18:13 PM by Elle


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