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CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#170826: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:31:01 PM

Only looked at the twitter feed for about 8 seconds, but these are my favorites:

  • I voted for you and I say your ban on Muslim nations is morally wrong and Un American.
  • I voted for Trump & I am ashamed I did. How can you defend a racist, fascist and narcissistic individual such as Trump?
  • Dakota Access Pipeline President Trump i voted for you Make America Great Again! not to destroy it
Some of us saw this coming. It's almost like he campaigned on those or something...

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#170827: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:32:19 PM

It is kind of funny to see people upset that the candidate they voted for is doing exactly what he promised.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#170829: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:34:32 PM

Again, I'll believe it when I see some action. A Republican's word is worth less than nothing at this point.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170830: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:35:01 PM

[up][up] I'll believe it when I see it. McConnell and Ryan still support the Muslim ban, flip-flopping from previous positions.

[nja]

If we really do start to see the Congressional GOP start to get antsy and test the boundaries of Trump's rule...then it just might be a sign that they're getting ready to jettison him.

edited 29th Jan '17 4:35:10 PM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#170831: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:36:22 PM

Called it again. Of course he was always going to lose support, once he started being himself. Will admit I didn't expect it this soon, but anyway...

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#170832: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:38:07 PM

People aren't informed. Many go with gut instincts, do what their families/friends tell them to or just go with who the hype is with.

Has anyone seen this?

https://mobile.twitter.com/AymanM/status/825755230163853313/photo/1

This is even more terrifying:

Basically executive orders supercede court rulings.

Onwards to the dictatorship.

edited 29th Jan '17 4:49:51 PM by MadSkillz

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#170833: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:39:48 PM

Military officers swear an oath to uphold the Constitution, not the president. (Enlisted swear a different oath which does include language about obeying orders[1] so things get interesting if the two are in conflict.) The FBI may have fewer scruples, especially in light of what we've seen this election cycle.
The FBI is the same organization that conducted COINTELPRO (suppressing heterodox political movements and coincidentally aggravating a number of civil rights movements) and the Palmer Raids, not to mention the entire career of Hoover.
Plus heavy equipment is not limited to the FBI. Local police can have them too. A Briton described US police as sort of like an occupying army and he wasn't that far off...

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#170834: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:40:25 PM

[up][up] What the fuck??? jfc.

Looks like Fuhrer Trump's finally stopped giving a shit about being bound by the idea of checks and balances.

edited 29th Jan '17 4:41:02 PM by higherbrainpattern

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#170835: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:41:19 PM

[up][up] "The Courts have made their ruling: Now let them enforce it." - Andrew Jackson, shortly before the Trail of Tears.

I think we're lucky in that the Courts have allies who will enforce it for them this time, but seriously, this is scary.

I say future Presidents should have their Executive Order Privileges revoked.

edited 29th Jan '17 4:41:28 PM by DingoWalley1

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#170836: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:42:57 PM

[up]Or at least have every executive order reviewed by the Supreme Court before being implemented, add another check to an undressed imbalance.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#170837: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:46:06 PM

Had a conversation with my mom earlier today where she admitted her vote was a mistake. She'd been counting on Donald's advisors to reign him in. I still don't like that she's motivated by fear of refuges and terrorists but I'll still take it as progress. Maybe later I'll drop hints about donating to agencies like Planned Parrenthood and ACLU. (I would be more angry at her if this were, say, PA instead of NY.)

Also, I went and signed these two whitehouse.gov petitions. It is probably likely to have a negligible effect if any (the issues the site was having earlier this week were supposedly technical, not malicious) but the main thing is that I was paranoid about giving my name and email to a government site. Then I thought about it and figured if the Founders can sign their names to a document for which they risk getting hanged for treason, the least I can do is risk a little personal information.

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#170838: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:46:19 PM

People aren't informed. Many go with gut instincts, do what their families/friends tell them to or just go with who the hype is with.

Has anyone seen this?

https://mobile.twitter.com/AymanM/status/825755230163853313/photo/1

This is even more terrifying:

Basically executive orders supercede court ruling a.

Steam ahead to the dictatorship.

Choo choo! All aboard the Constitutional Crisis Express!

We have two stops on the line: dictatorship and resistance

And now for something from some people who resisted the original Nazis:

Nothing is so unworthy of a civilized nation as allowing itself to be governed without opposition by an irresponsible clique that has yielded to base instinct. It is certain that today every honest American is ashamed of his government.

Who among us has any conception of the dimensions of shame that will befall us and our children when one day the veil has fallen from our eyes and the most horrible of crimes - crimes that infinitely outdistance every human measure - reach the light of day? If the American people are already so corrupted and spiritually crushed that they do not raise a hand, frivolously trusting in a questionable faith in lawful order of history; if they surrender man's highest principle, that which raises him above all other God's creatures, his free will; if they abandon the will to take decisive action and turn the wheel of history and thus subject it to their own rational decision; if they are so devoid of all individuality, have already gone so far along the road toward turning into a spiritless and cowardly mass - then, yes, they deserve their downfall.

-excerpt from White Rose leaflet #1 (translated, Americanized, and 2017-ized)

edited 29th Jan '17 4:48:57 PM by Balmung

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170839: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:47:31 PM

Speaking of which, we might be hearing who the SCOTUS pick is soon. And you know what? I say the Democrats block, block, block whoever it is. The GOP getting control of the Supreme Court would be disastrous—especially if they pick another raging bigot for the seat.

If it's Merrick Garland or Barack Obama, fine. Anybody else gets blocked indefinitely, for as long as the Dems can keep it up.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#170840: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:51:07 PM

There's no particular reason to think the existing GOP judges will go along with Trump's BS. Him appointing somebody horrifying to the empty spot would obviously be a bad thing, but it doesn't mean the SC's a write-off and fighting it probably isn't a winnable battle.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#170841: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:51:27 PM

Are you talking about Obama as a nominee for SCOTUS, Bluefish? Is that even technically possible in the current political climate?

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#170842: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:53:13 PM

Are you talking about Obama as a nominee for SCOTUS, Bluefish? Is that even technically possible in the current political climate?
It's certainly legally possible - Taft served on the SCOTUS after his term as POTUS.

Now, whether it's currently legislatively possible is an entirely different story.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170843: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:54:03 PM

Almost certainly not. But the idea's been floated jokingly around Internet circles.

And the Supreme Court has a disturbing tendency to vote along party lines. Scalia's vote was what lost us the Voting Rights Act. We need to keep that sucker split, or the GOP control it.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#170844: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:56:19 PM

If Hillary had won I think she should have nominated Obama just to spite the GOP.

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#170845: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:56:20 PM

The SCOTUS would still lean socially progressive thanks to Kennedy, even with a frothing maniac in Trump's pocket. Also, the conservative judges are precisely that-conservative, who would be right at home in the Reagan/Bush Senior/Clinton political scenes, rather than the reactionary or paleo/primeval views permeating the GOP right now. My real concerns are some of the others dying in office, or Trump abandoning all pretenses and trying to pack the court.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#170846: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:56:44 PM

Trump has already revealed his top 3 picks: William Pryor, Neil Gorsuch, and Thomas Hardiman. All are along the lines of Antonin Scalia "Originalist" and "Textualist" style of judging. You ain't getting a Moderate or Liberal to take Scalia's seat.

Also, this doesn't actually make the Courts more Conservative, it simply continues the way the Court was as of Scalia's Death: Divided with a minor Conservative bias. And although Scalia wasn't the best Justice, he certainly wasn't the worst: He defended Freedoms of Speech, Press, Right to Fair Trials, the Separations of Powers, and things we need in these Times of Trump. It's just that he absolutely sucked when it came to Civil Rights.

I am not against making Obama a Supreme Court Justice, though.

edited 29th Jan '17 4:58:56 PM by DingoWalley1

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#170847: Jan 29th 2017 at 5:00:09 PM

Best case scenario if Trump does get a justice in? Whoever it is has a weak personality and fails to sway the others. Especially since Trump is blatantly ignoring the courts. I doubt anyone on the Supreme Court right now is a fan of that. Especially Kennedy. He was usually the wild card, leaning Republican but not always, but by all accounts has a deep and abiding respect for the court system and wouldn't dream of subverting it.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#170848: Jan 29th 2017 at 5:00:57 PM

Now, if Ginsberg, Bayer, or even Kennedy die or retire, the US is probably fucked for a generation.

[up]Chief Justice Roberts also values the image/role of the Court.

edited 29th Jan '17 5:01:27 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#170849: Jan 29th 2017 at 5:01:29 PM

Obama on the SCOTUS would probably make every conservative spontaneously combust.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#170850: Jan 29th 2017 at 5:04:10 PM

I caught one of the ACLU lawyers being interviewed on PBS News Hour tonight; he brought up the fact that even the conservative judges on the court tend to land on the side of good when it's a First Amendment case.

Also, WRT Obama, he has law experience but no judicial experience. Even if we'd gotten Clinton, he would not be a likely pick.

edited 29th Jan '17 5:06:44 PM by Elle


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