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Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#170501: Jan 28th 2017 at 6:07:04 PM

It's only being stayed until the GOP can find a way to enforce it. I'm sure they can figure out a way.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#170502: Jan 28th 2017 at 6:07:22 PM

Thank you Courts!

See, as long as there are people with power who do stand for the Constitution, the worst of what Trump wants can't happen.

If I had money, I'd be giving a lot of it to the ACLU (and probably joining it as well).

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#170503: Jan 28th 2017 at 6:11:29 PM

To tell you the truth, I'm not certain Trump will bother to fight back on this. I see him as caring more about how things look than anything else. So he slapped together a bunch of barely-thought out executive orders in order to be a highly visible attempt at him fulfilling his campaign promises, without really caring about what happened after that- after all, if they get stopped somewhere along the way, he can still say 'I tried to fulfill my campaign promises, but the Evil Establishment wouldn't let me!'

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#170504: Jan 28th 2017 at 6:11:32 PM

It gives the ACLU time to build up more of a case and also to plan for whatever the GOP does next regarding this.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#170505: Jan 28th 2017 at 6:18:55 PM

A minor reality check: the court ruling only applies in the NY district and only to the two Iraqis the ACLU named in the suit this morning - they'll have to create a class action case. But it's a start.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170506: Jan 28th 2017 at 6:23:48 PM

Really? Because according to the ACLU, it's national.

However, a sobering clarification: this stay applies only to current airport detainees and those in transit. It does not prevent future travelers from being banned.

edited 28th Jan '17 6:24:20 PM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#170507: Jan 28th 2017 at 6:30:50 PM

He's a lawyer and I'm not, so I stand corrected if somewhat confused.

edited 28th Jan '17 6:32:04 PM by Elle

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170508: Jan 28th 2017 at 6:38:08 PM

Here's an ACLU immigrants' rights attorney coming out of the courthouse, clarifying the effects of what has happened.

Noteworthy: according to him, the government cannot put people on planes back to their countries of origin while this stay is in place.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#170509: Jan 28th 2017 at 6:40:27 PM

So the block bans any immigrants or travelers from the listed countries and all refugees for 90 days, right? What happens after those 90 days are up?

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#170510: Jan 28th 2017 at 6:43:09 PM

[up] A new form of Refugee Vetting (which has a name I don't remember) is put in place, and they can come back after passing this Process. This new Process, however, favors Non-Muslims over Muslims.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170511: Jan 28th 2017 at 6:43:23 PM

Most likely the Fuhrer and his cronies will try to make it a permanent ban before then.

Which is why the ACLU needs our support, because they're leading the charge against him right now.

[up] Ah, or that. Still horrible and un-American.

edited 28th Jan '17 6:43:48 PM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#170512: Jan 28th 2017 at 6:48:06 PM

Oh thank goodness. I love the ACLU.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170514: Jan 28th 2017 at 6:54:17 PM

So an evil anarchist white supremacist like Bannon now has a seat at the National Security Council. I...have no words for how terrifying that shit is.

Well, some more good news—a second judge has ordered a temporary restraining order against banning green card holders from the US.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#170515: Jan 28th 2017 at 6:55:11 PM

Good to see actually goddamn federal judges calling Trump's ban unconstitutional instead of being a chickenshi like Paul Ryan.

edited 28th Jan '17 6:55:23 PM by higherbrainpattern

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#170516: Jan 28th 2017 at 6:55:18 PM

[up][up] That's even better news!

edited 28th Jan '17 6:55:27 PM by DingoWalley1

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#170517: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:03:29 PM

I am pleasantly shocked to see the american political system putting up a fight so quickly.

It's like these first days of Trump's reign made me almost forget at least some politicians have backbones.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#170518: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:18:05 PM

It wasn't just them. A LOT of the electorate doesn't like Trump and as these protests have indicated, have no intention of letting him and the GOP dumpster the country without a fight.

I don't know how but we have to keep that going on for as long as possible and be extremely vigilant about anything they do, because they're going to try and be more and more insidious if they realize that the people aren't letting them get away with being obvious any longer.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#170519: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:18:40 PM

[up][up]Same here. If we're going down, (and here's hoping we aren't,) we aren't going down without a fight. Puts a nice big smile on my face.smile

edited 28th Jan '17 7:18:56 PM by kkhohoho

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#170520: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:20:49 PM

The Reps are probably letting Trump get away with as much as they are to make themselves look better by comparison. Then when they depose him and start ruling slightly more sanely we can be like, "Oh thank God Trump's gone." and be somewhat lighter on them. After Trump's cleared the way for them getting whatever they want.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#170521: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:23:30 PM

From my very limited observations, it seems that the Alt-Right and affiliated ideologies seem to be consisted of three core groups: the hardcore core of racists who make it all happen in the first place, the clueless people who were duped into this because they genuinely believe that racism/sexism etc are over and that Muslims and immigrants really are detrimental to the US/Europe, and the edgy apathetic types who believe in extreme cynicism and believe that empathy and tolerance are weaknesses that will bite us in the end. Naturally, all three groups kinda blend together past a certain point, and the result is a scary hate-filled and deluded cocktail.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#170522: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:30:52 PM

Full text of the stay of the ban

EDIT: Someone snuck into the GOP retreat

edited 28th Jan '17 7:32:17 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#170523: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:32:24 PM

The Reps are probably letting Trump get away with as much as they are to make themselves look better by comparison. Then when they depose him and start ruling slightly more sanely we can be like, "Oh thank God Trump's gone." and be somewhat lighter on them. After Trump's cleared the way for them getting whatever they want.

The rogue POTUS staff Twitter dudes said as much:

@natinic76 Use #Unholy Trinity appears to want to use POTUS to enact controversial agenda pieces, then let him slip up and impeach him.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170524: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:34:27 PM

Here's a good breakdown of the NYC judge's ruling in layman's terms.

Has this been discussed already? Buried in this Washington Post article (about what an incredibly frightening week it's been) is this little tidbit:

What is to be done? In a meeting last week with The Post editorial board, Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), chair of the House Oversight Committee, said he was weighing legislation to require presidents to undergo an independent medical examination, including for mental health. Chaffetz cautioned that he wasn't "talking about some of the rhetoric that's flying around" about Trump. Still, he said, "If you're going to have your hands on the nuclear codes, you should probably know what kind of mental state you're in."

First thought: I don't trust Chaffetz as far as I can throw him, so he must be working some sort of angle here. Second thought: Fucking hell, we could have used that 2 1/2 months ago.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#170525: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:40:09 PM

Hmm...

No, I don't think. That sounds like stigmatizing mental illness to me. Unless the idea is less 'stop crazies from being elected' and more 'people in power should know their own weaknesses'.


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