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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#170351: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:49:05 AM

[up][up] Will it? That actually depends on how many countries decide to fight back against the US at once.

edited 28th Jan '17 9:49:18 AM by Swanpride

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#170352: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:49:29 AM

To be honest, I think that is because the concept of war or firefight is starting to get normalized. Just look at the media. So many works are more focused on the glory or the gore of war than the trauma or the tragedy that it brought.

Or it could also be some sort of denial that things can't get any worse than this or if it is, it isn't going to be that bad?

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#170353: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:56:26 AM

One thing to keep in mind about the China thing as well. Part of the reason (and a rather small part, to be fair) they have basically no force projection is because they have no bases outside of China's immediate vicinity.

Now, what if there's a country right next to the US that has an enormous bone to pick with the US and is cozying up with China? Hell, in a really extreme case, what if there's two?

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#170354: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:57:24 AM

My thoughts on war with China:

Let's face it: Which country doesn't have nukes and knows that an nuclear war against someone could be suicidal (because of mutual destruction or third-party retaliation)? And there will always be some sort of war going; it's just an matter of when the next big one will happen.

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That guy
#170356: Jan 28th 2017 at 10:29:05 AM

You know, I'd always considered myself above such immaturity as schadenfreude, but...

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170357: Jan 28th 2017 at 10:31:25 AM

The ACLU is suing the Fuhrer over the Muslim ban. Godspeed. These battles are expensive, so they're asking for donations from anyone who has a little cash to spare.

One of the people being detained at JKF Airport, Hameed Darweesh, has been released. He served as a translator for the US, but was detained anyway, and not permitted to see his lawyer.

Protests are forming outside JFK Airport, with citizens demanding the release of the detainees. A heavy police presence is forming.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
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#170358: Jan 28th 2017 at 10:32:47 AM

[up][up][up]That fucking asshole.

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#170359: Jan 28th 2017 at 10:33:12 AM

Austin, Texas based digital marketing agency T3 made a bot which buys and sells stock in companies mentioned by Trump on Twitter and donates the money earned to the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

edited 28th Jan '17 10:34:05 AM by tclittle

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170360: Jan 28th 2017 at 10:37:31 AM

Green card holders are being handcuffed, their social media reviewed, and they are being asked about their views on Trump.

What happens if you answer wrong?

Fascism is officially here.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#170361: Jan 28th 2017 at 10:41:36 AM

I think every country on the planet ought to be issuing travel warnings regarding the US. Though, I wonder how long its going to take for a US citizen to get caught up in this, I can't see even the more conservative courts upholding that.

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170362: Jan 28th 2017 at 10:45:38 AM

Oh, they'll uphold it. Look at the horrible shit we did to our own citizens even before Trump took office.

And we also need to take what's happening now as a dire warning, even as we fight it. The ban is the first step. Next comes the registry. And after that...well, let's try and make sure it never gets to that point.

Remember that other time a racist authoritarian demagogue forced an entire religious minority to enter a national registry? Remember how that turned out?

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#170363: Jan 28th 2017 at 10:51:18 AM

This is going to get really messy if/when Trump follows up on his campaign promise to deport refugees already (legally) inside the US. I mean, that's against international law, but since when has that mattered to fascists?

I wonder if any countries are considering an "American ban"? Or maybe a "Republican ban"...

edited 28th Jan '17 10:52:25 AM by Rationalinsanity

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170364: Jan 28th 2017 at 10:54:51 AM

And it's going to mean literal jackbooted thugs going door-to-door trying to root out the refugees and immigrants. At that point, no one gets to say that the Godwin's Law comparisons are unwarranted. I've seen a lot of people saying that they're trying to think of where to hide Anne Frank.

It's also the point where I could see actual violent resistance becoming widespread. Which would be...yeah, let's try and stop this thing now. Right now.

Seriously, where are our Congressional leaders? Why are none of the Senate Democrats introducing legislature to fight back against these executive orders? They're pretty much the only ones in any position to directly limit his power right now.

Also, there were certainly plenty of jokes after the election that Mexico would happily pay for the wall...so long as they could make damn sure that it would keep all the Americans out.

edited 28th Jan '17 10:55:53 AM by RBluefish

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#170365: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:05:40 AM

[up]My guess is they probably are. There have been a lot of parallels between what's happening in the US and UK - in part because of shared media ownership interests and shared campaign teams (Trump's early campaign teams ran the Brexit campaign).

The media in the UK won't report on what opponents of the government are doing, except when it can be used to humiliate opponents. Related media in the US are probably starving GOP opponents of oxygen as well.

You're going to need to do leg-work to find out if the Democrats are working on this. A lot of media won't volunteer the information.

I do remember a couple of days ago something reported by Republicans that the media has barely picked up on — I'll see if I can find it to link to it, but it looks like the Senate is able to block some of these things Congress is trying to get through Trump, at least for the short term; the ACA repeal is one of the big ones, but it's not the only one.

The Senate Republicans (for the moment) seem to be a tiny bit more realistic and less reactionary than the GOP, which is causing the GOP ructions — the Senate Republicans do not behave in the way they want them to behave and it's causing rifts, such as thinking the filibuster is more safe than the GOP wants because they know Republicans may need it in the future.

I'll try and find the link, but it's not getting much coverage because reactionary GOP decisions that threaten democracy is the bigger story than the news that at least some of the Senate Republicans are more opposed to some of this trend than the GOP wants them to be.

That could just mean the Senate Republicans don't fully understand what they're facing (in which case things are very bad) but right now they seem to think the GOP isn't going to get everything it thinks it can get.

edited 28th Jan '17 11:13:56 AM by Wyldchyld

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#170366: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:07:45 AM

[up][up]Keep this article in mind: Democrats are putting up a tougher fight than liberals realize.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#170367: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:11:59 AM

I am getting in the mood to rewatch the first episode of "Designated Survivor" (and yes, I know it is morbid, but I need an outlet for my more violent urges).

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170368: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:14:19 AM

Hmm, interesting. Thanks for the insight. Question, though - if some of the Congressional Democrats were trying to actively fight this, wouldn't we hear about it from them? A lot of them have pretty high social media presences, and "I am fighting this" would generate a lot of goodwill from their constituents.

Also, a reporter is covering the JFK protests live here for those interested.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#170369: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:15:54 AM

In lighter news, Wikipedia's page on invertebrates briefly had Paul Ryan added to it.

And yes, this is related to Ryan's craven refusal to condemn the Muslim ban.

edited 28th Jan '17 11:16:09 AM by M84

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#170370: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:17:46 AM

Honestly, Republicans have shown that they wouldn't mind being burning the constitution so long as it was their guys doing it AND they kept those pesky minorities in place.

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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#170371: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:17:51 AM

And if I found Wikipedia vandalism funny, I'd probably momentarily grin.

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#170372: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:20:15 AM

China is estimated to hold an arsenal of 300 nuclear warheads, most of them stored underground complexes and their launch platforms are in a non ready to fire state. Which makes them a second strike only force.

The US has 750 missile silos on a ready to fire state, that is not counting the SLBM Boomer fleet for first and second strike capability.

A nuclear exchange between the US and China is the last thing China would want to enter because they know it is a war they won't win, not even with a Pyrrhic victory.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#170373: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:31:11 AM

[up] The trouble is even if we assume that China is a rational actor, right now I'm not betting on the United States being a rational actor.

As in I could easily envision Trump kick-starting a war with China over an insignificant, or even entirely imagined, slight. Once open hostilities start, it's a very short road from there to nuclear war.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#170374: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:32:31 AM

A nuclear war that won't affect the mainland US in the slightest.

China literally cannot hurt the United States. They are just that weak.

Oh really when?
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#170375: Jan 28th 2017 at 11:35:32 AM

[up][up]China is rational enough to know it should avoid a nuclear conflict, hence why they are up for grabs in Africa and using a mix of soft and hard power to get what they want in Asia.

For the US, even if Trumps act all retarded like he is, I'd hardly think anyone would be on board with him trying to start a nuclear war with China.

[up]Not as much, their DF missiles can reach parts of the US mainland.

edited 28th Jan '17 11:42:51 AM by AngelusNox

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