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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#170326: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:07:55 AM

Nah, I mean they can't even really participate in MAD. Their nukes aren't advanced enough and they're some 30 years behind us in terms of technology.

Not even getting to the fact that they don't have the logistics to support their army now, let alone in a conflict or that nobody there has any battle experience.

Oh really when?
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#170327: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:09:02 AM

[up][up] Because obviously WWIII will averted as always...that is, if the conflict it's a regional one.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#170328: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:09:11 AM

Couldn't they at least do some damage to USN carrier groups/US bases in the region, before the counter-strike hurts them far more?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
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#170329: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:10:34 AM

[up][up][up]I was thinking moreso along the lines of ensuing economical wreckage.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#170330: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:13:59 AM

[up][up]They can try but I'd love to see their ancient anti ship missiles try and get through modern defenses.

[up]And like I've said multiple times before, we're moving most of our cheap manufacturing to the rest of SEA. Their economic ties to us are dwindling.

edited 28th Jan '17 9:14:19 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#170331: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:15:06 AM

Also, things could get really nasty if said conflict spills over into India and Pakistan.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#170332: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:18:45 AM

China has the US in the pocket, financially. I wouldn't underestimate what China can do if they choose to.

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#170333: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:19:14 AM

@ Luigisan 98

Because obviously WWIII will averted as always...that is, if the conflict it's a regional one.

You're pointing to yourself, not R Bluefish.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170334: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:20:12 AM

China is one of the world's foremost superpowers. Are we seriously not concerned about the fact that we're apparently going to war with them? Whether we outmatch them or not, the conflict would be sure to be nightmarish from a humanitarian perspective - to say nothing of what happens when various allies start to weigh in and the war spreads.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#170335: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:20:20 AM

Guys, China doesn't have any hold on us. They're the ones completely dependent on us for economic reasons, not the other way around.

It's why all the claims of China stealing our jobs or being a threat to our economy or something something debt is bullshit.

[up]They aren't one of the foremost superpowers is the thing. They can't support their military just existing let alone in combat and they struggle to recreate technology from the 80s even with examples and blueprints in hand.

edited 28th Jan '17 9:21:45 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#170336: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:21:35 AM

My thoughts: With any luck, China won't even try and they're just saber rattling, and if they do try, they might well get thomped, but I'd really rather not risk it any case. Because even if it isn't much of a war, a war's still a war. (And nevermind that we might be underestimating just how far they're really willing to go...)

general_tiu Since: Jul, 2009
#170337: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:22:54 AM

About the executive order about the immigration ban, what about those with genuine medical emergencies? Would they be referred to a different country?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#170338: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:23:40 AM

If you're from one of those countries you can't enter the US under any circumstances.

Oh really when?
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170339: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:24:30 AM

I don't doubt that they'd be no match for us if it came to that...but doesn't that just mean countless Chinese soldiers and civilians being butchered by the US military? Again, I'm thinking of the humanitarian angle more than anything else. War, even one-sided war, is inherently destructive to human life.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#170340: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:27:51 AM

Given all of Trump's anti-China rhetoric, it's weird that he's also approving ETP's two pipelines which are going to be selling a lot of oil to China.

The coal workers who voted for Trump should be kicking themselves over this, considering China is a huge customer of US coal.

edited 28th Jan '17 9:28:49 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#170341: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:29:03 AM

Fact is that we didn't have to worry for 25 years that any of the Superpowers would start to attack each other...well, there was a small worry over the Ukraine, but we could be secure that the EU and the US would stay halfway reasonable, even if Putin wasn't. But now?

And the US shouldn't feel so secure...remember Pearl Harbor? Remember 9/11? A truly determined enemy can and will hurt the US deeply.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170342: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:30:38 AM

[up] Basically this. I fear we're getting very complacent here. The idea of entering a full-blown military conflict with China should scare the piss out of all of us, regardless of nationality, and regardless of how much we may think we outmatch them.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#170343: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:32:50 AM

Guys think about how many American soldiers died in Iraq. However bad you think the Chinese military is, it's better armed and equipped than the Iraqi insurgency was. Sure, you'll win, but how many bodybags are coming home?

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170344: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:34:31 AM

[up] Yes. In war, people on the winning side still die. To say nothing of the losing side. To say nothing of how cripplingly destabilizing this war would be to the world order - which would only lead to more chaos and death.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#170345: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:34:43 AM

[up][up] I will hold Trump and everyone of his fucking ilk responsible for each body bag if war happens.

edited 28th Jan '17 9:35:14 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#170346: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:38:56 AM

The fact of the matter is, ANY conflict with China will bring the entire world economy to a screeching halt.

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Advarielle Homicidal Editor Since: Aug, 2016
Homicidal Editor
#170347: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:39:04 AM

Any large-scale with any Asian nation is going to end up bad. The governments here don't give a damn about the life of their citizens. Their national pride is much more important to them.

Most people here also agree with their governments unless they are the ones who got to go to the front lines which means if a war do break out, the ones who die aren't the one that scream war. They apparently suddenly got issues that make them unable to serve their countries despite their overwhelming desire to do so. A bunch of idiotic and arrogant cowards, I know.

edited 28th Jan '17 9:40:39 AM by Advarielle

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170348: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:42:03 AM

I'm frankly a bit disturbed at the number of people here who hear that war with China is coming, and just go "well, they probably don't have the power to literally annihilate us in a nuclear blast, so NBD I guess." Have our standard sunk so low, so quickly? Do we not care about global stability, humanitarian crises, or capricious leaders manufacturing pointless, destructive wars? "No nukes, and we'll probably win, so s'all good?"

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#170349: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:46:10 AM

China is also aware any conflict with the US will result in minimal US casualties and Beijing turning into a parking lot. That's also why I'm unconcerned.

China is a rational actor. They won't commit suicide

Oh really when?
Psyclone Since: Jan, 2001
#170350: Jan 28th 2017 at 9:48:32 AM

[up][up] I think by this point everything is coming so fast that people just become paralyzed.


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