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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#170251: Jan 27th 2017 at 7:40:09 PM

[up][up]and unlike my president, so far US oposition hae manage to actually face him as united front instead of running around like headless chickens, so that count for something.

So, as someone who is ruled by moron like Trump, I will said something: in a way, the best weapon the dems have against trump is....well, himself, he is too much of a Moron to actually being smart, even in a realpolitik kind of way and that would low is popularity.

BUT and this is the key thing, the rep will try to stop the dems to take anything, as Trump opinion suffer the GOP will just shut down everything it gives the dems power, in this case I will confirm Bluefish fears: is going to be a tought and brutal fight right now.

edited 27th Jan '17 7:40:45 PM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#170252: Jan 27th 2017 at 7:41:53 PM

Well, yeah, the Republican party, and their patrons the Kock Bros billionaire network, was always the main enemy, even now. Watch the Congress, they have the capacity to do the most damage.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#170253: Jan 27th 2017 at 7:47:28 PM

[up]oh I disagree with you on something: Trump would make that wall and he will try to build is promise...but is going to backfire on him, bligly as hell.

in fact, i predict that the Wall is going to be a clusterfuck, with Trump making half ass decision that would complicate things over and over, considering is reaction to Mexico telling him to fuck off(which so far, is one of the few moment Peña actually show some balls for a change)

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#170255: Jan 27th 2017 at 8:15:17 PM

My fear is that holocaust denial will become commonplace under this administration.
Trump's Statement Marking Holocaust Remembrance Leaves Out Mention of Jews Seems like a good time to bring this up. Needless to say, I'm pretty disgusted.

The comments have a lot of garbage arguments like "but he will be good for Israel, what are you complaining about?" Rings pretty hollow when a good chunk of his base is antisemitic.

TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#170256: Jan 27th 2017 at 8:27:15 PM

Guys, I know this thread moves fast, but can you all please try not to post links that have already been posted before? (The above being one case, but it's been happening a lot this past week.)

It kind of drowns out actual discussion.

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#170257: Jan 27th 2017 at 8:31:54 PM

Rogue POTUS tweets:

Office pool quietly taking bets on how long it takes Priebus and Bannon to turn into Holyfield v Tyson.

Update on #votegate, while POTUS ordering dbl votes unlikely, may have tried directing which state to vote in.

POTUS calls for investigating voter fraud in states he lost actually an #Unholy Trinity plan. Results will aid "turnout control" efforts.

So far Priebus containing POTUS's plan to order IRS to end audit, but not sure how long he keeps. POTUS chomping at the bit to wield power.

VP Pence to sit in on POTUS/Putin phone call tomorrow. POTUS doesn't like idea, but gave in to pressure from #Unholy Trinity

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#170258: Jan 27th 2017 at 8:39:29 PM

[up] Okay, now we're starting to get mixed signals from these Rouge Twitters. One is saying that Trump wants to prove he's popular, the other is saying it's Congressional Republicans plan to install harder Voter Laws.

Neither of them explain why Trump keeps chickening out of the Voter Fraud Executive Order...

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#170259: Jan 27th 2017 at 8:44:42 PM

@Dingo Walley 1: Even assuming those accounts are legit, none of those people will have full access or a complete picture of the situation, before accounting for Trump and his advisers to change tack based on circumstance; and, of course, Trump's flight of fancy for that particular hour. Take it all with a grain of salt the size of California.

edited 27th Jan '17 8:46:12 PM by ViperMagnum357

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#170260: Jan 27th 2017 at 8:44:55 PM

@170221: Could the president just end the EC all on his own? I wouldn't think that would be in the power of the presidency to do so.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#170261: Jan 27th 2017 at 8:46:05 PM

Guys, I know this thread moves fast, but can you all please try not to post links that have already been posted before? (The above being one case, but it's been happening a lot this past week.) It kind of drowns out actual discussion.

I'm sorry, but I neither have the time nor the energy to spend two hours a day in this thread simply getting caught up. If you have a better suggestion to prevent repeat links, please let me know.

Unrelated question: Has anyone set up a nonprofit or something dedicated to getting people the proper identification they need to vote in places with strict ID laws? Would that help at all? I've been searching but I haven't found anything.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#170262: Jan 27th 2017 at 8:48:43 PM

[up][up] As the EC is ingrained into our Constitution, it would literally take an amazement, which requires 2/3rds of Both Houses or 3/4ths of All States to approve of it, to get rid of it. There's a snowballs chance in Hell of us ever doing so.

[down] Problem there, the House has already said they are not going to investigate it (though they can always change their mind). They either have to have Trump start the ball rolling, or it's not happening for 4 years.

edited 27th Jan '17 8:49:49 PM by DingoWalley1

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#170263: Jan 27th 2017 at 8:48:45 PM

Okay, now we're starting to get mixed signals from these Rouge Twitters. One is saying that Trump wants to prove he's popular, the other is saying it's Congressional Republicans plan to install harder Voter Laws. Neither of them explain why Trump keeps chickening out of the Voter Fraud Executive Order...
It's not contradictory at all, especially if he mentioned getting rid of the EC. He genuinely believes he won the popular vote (because he's a complete fucking idiot), while the Republicans recognize the opportunity for voter suppression.

My guess is that the executive order delays come from Republicans leaning on him. Because if they're going to strip the country of its democracy, they're not going to leave it in Trump's incompetent hands.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#170264: Jan 27th 2017 at 8:55:43 PM

[up][up]I dunno. I feel like Trump might be able to pull off getting rid of the EC if he really wanted to. It'd probably be easy to convinced the Dems to support it, and the GOP's tendency to fall into line helps.

Though the question is what, exactly, would replace it. If it's just simple popular vote, then fine, but if it's the gerrymandered to hell congressional districts...

edited 27th Jan '17 8:56:03 PM by Gilphon

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#170265: Jan 27th 2017 at 8:55:51 PM

Wow, a lot's happened in the day or so my computer was down.

I've just caught up and admit I kinda lost sight of the NN stuff when seeing everything else going on. Not sure if we even need to fight for it, seeing as there's enough big-time tech companies who'd stand against it. Plus . . . would the commissioner of the FCC be able to gut Net Neutrality himself, or would it take a congressional approval to manage?

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170266: Jan 27th 2017 at 8:56:30 PM

@Pseudopartition: I do believe there are a number of organizations and charities devoted to getting people registered to vote, yes. And I think that those are an extremely worthy cause, because the more people we can register, the harder it is for the GOP to suppress the vote.

Though it needs to be pointed out that there are hurdles even once you're registered. Lack of polling places in targeted areas, inconvenient hours, unexpected ID requirements, endless lines (that are effective at weeding out disabled people)...there's more to voters suppression than just voter ID laws.

Even once your ballot is cast, you're still not safe. Because of shit like Crosscheck. Which (as I understand it) the GOP used to purge hundreds of thousands of votes in the last election, on very dubious grounds. That, in many ways more than anything else, is what concerns me, because there's no direct way for the average citizen to fight back against something like that. Right now, Trump has created a narrative that would give them political cover for purging millions of votes from future ballots, controlling the election result.

edited 27th Jan '17 8:56:47 PM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#170267: Jan 27th 2017 at 8:57:05 PM

Okay, now we're starting to get mixed signals from these Rouge Twitters.

There's only one of these and if there are anymore then they're fake.

One is saying that Trump wants to prove he's popular, the other is saying it's Congressional Republicans plan to install harder Voter Laws.

The Republicans are using Trump's idiocy for their own gain.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#170268: Jan 27th 2017 at 8:57:55 PM

[up][up][up][up] If the President was dependent on Popular Vote alone, it wouldn't matter how hard Republicans Gerrymandered; America would almost always have a Democrat President because of California, New York and Illinois.tongue

[up] And yet, they're also telling him to not go through with it because there's no evidence (according to the first leak). And Congress right now is saying they won't investigate Voter Fraud, regardless of what Trump does.

Also, from one Twitter post, there were at least 6 diversified ones.

edited 27th Jan '17 9:00:37 PM by DingoWalley1

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#170269: Jan 27th 2017 at 9:31:11 PM

Honestly it seems like trump, bannon and co are already deteriorating after a week. 6 years of obstructing with no governing left them out of shape.

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#170270: Jan 27th 2017 at 9:39:15 PM

I find myself in a bit of a rut: my days now begin with my waking up, watching the news, pointing southwards and laughing.

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#170272: Jan 27th 2017 at 9:59:54 PM

Honestly, this song probably describes the Resistance against Trump nicely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf9NSd_2avA

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#170273: Jan 27th 2017 at 10:01:43 PM

[up][up][up] Good thing my state of Virginia is coming around to avoid the rest of the south's pitfalls.

Watch Symphogear
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#170274: Jan 27th 2017 at 10:42:33 PM

Except for the state legislature which is full of batshit conservatives. God I hope Mc Aulliffe stays, at least.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#170275: Jan 27th 2017 at 10:59:33 PM

Concerning the guy who is so proud that he brought down the Soviet Union: He brought down nothing! The Soviet Union brought down itself and if there is any politician who deserves the credit for the whole process happening fairly peaceful, it's Genscher and not some guy whose name I can't even remember. He won't bring down the EU either...the EU will succeed or fail on its own.


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