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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I'd be hesitant to even endorse laying the groundwork for California secession at this stage.
Calexit isn't just a nuclear option in my opinion, it's a response to the country hitting the Godzilla Threshold. Where all legal and quasi-legal means have been exhausted and it's the only way for any semblance of democracy to have any chance of being preserved in any part of what would then be the former United States of America. We aren't even close to being there yet, and hopefully we will never reach that point.
Under such extreme circumstance, any legal barriers would be irrelevant. The California constitution could be amended, or even replaced, at the same time independence is declared.
Pretty much mirrors my thoughts. Right now, we cannot afford to lose California. Because as dark as things may seem, all is not lost. Not even close. There are battles coming and we need Cali's firepower.
For Calexit to be a viable choice (putting aside the fact that it's almost certainly another Russian scheme), things would have to have gotten so bad that Cali needed to just hit the eject button and try to preserve some semblance of American values within itself.
Hopefully with Cali's help, we can make sure it never gets to that point.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."The "Second American Civil War and other crisis scenarios - The Trump Factor
" thread has been made. Please direct all discussions about hypothetical scenarios involving major crises happening because of the Trump regime to it.
That's not entirely true. There are two different independence movements in California and one of them is funded by the Russians and the other one isn't and looks at disdain with the Russian funded movement.
There's the California National Party which is a center-left party .
And then there's the Yes California political committee which is funded by the Russians whose leader voted for Trump, is living in Russia and is the one who submitted this proposal to amend the state's constitution.
Why is that in the World Building section of the forums?
edited 27th Jan '17 5:31:37 PM by MadSkillz
The amendment to the constitution is repealing the Constitution to being the supreme law of the land of California.
Of course, if American democracy dies, that argument becomes academic.
In better news, Trump and May recommitted to NATO. But we all know what the word of a conservative is worth these days, so stay scared.
edited 27th Jan '17 5:40:27 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
x4 Because three different tropers made Alternate History from the premise. Also, I posted a reply there to this thing you said in post 170180:
"But anyways that would halve the original US' economy maybe worse."
Edit: USUncut: Trump supporters defend Adolf Hitler in response to Pope Francis’ remarks about white nationalism
. Please be a bad joke.
edited 27th Jan '17 5:46:05 PM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KVIn "recommitting" to NATO Trump and PM May might just be trying to derail a European Army (a potential EU project and a stated goal of many EU public officials). Both have objected to Europe forming an EU based army in the past. (And both objections sounded specious at best).
Trump may just want to cut a rival off at the knees but I can't even hypothesize about Prime Minister May's reasons.
edited 27th Jan '17 6:54:56 PM by CenturyEye
Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives@Wanderer, ughh....they've all come out of the woodwork and they're never going to leave.
I need an outlet (other than drinking...). I'm so buying Wolfenstein The New Order when it goes on sale.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.It's a good game, full of inflicting brutal, bloody violence on Nazis. So it's very good stress-relief material these days. (At one point you can drown a Nazi in his own piss. No joke.)
EDIT: Fucking hell—Dick Cheney says that the Muslim ban is "against everything we stand for.
One week into his new regime, and Dick frickin' Cheney is calling him an evil dickhead. Just goes to show how far we've fallen, when Cheney is suddenly occupying the moral high ground.
edited 27th Jan '17 6:21:41 PM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."edited 27th Jan '17 6:23:32 PM by Balmung
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I mean, The Saboteur was great fun last December once I got past the fact that Stupid Jetpack Hitler was in full effect. Well that and the main character being the worst Irish stereotype I've ever seen in modern fiction.
And I do suppose that May and Trump could easily just be planning to derail an EU army, not support NATO. If Putin decides to wail on Europe, does May think that Channel is going to protect the Isles?
edited 27th Jan '17 6:26:44 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.I do believe that Cheney was complaining about Trump for a while. He criticized the Muslim ban just as the race was starting.
Leviticus 19:34@My thoughts on Trump: originally, cautious optimism-I was hoping he'd turn out better than I expected...Until the stuff about Russia came out. Now I suspect he's a collaborator with Putin, who I'm not at all fond of.
Leviticus 19:34
is a way to boost i and is way of dealing business: bully the others to do what you want and them tell that is "smart", if not, run away and let other fall with the blame.
Trump like Maduro like tought posturing, the one where he try to show is weinner is bigger than yours, its so predictable is Sad!.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Oh come on, guys. I called this- Trump is walking back every promise he ever made, while trying to make it look like he's moving forward. We were never leaving NATO, and May's visit just gave him the cover he needed. He'll pretend to study how to build a wall, which is never getting built. He's set up a moratorium on people coming to the US based on their country of origin, not their religion, and on and on. I'm not apologizing for him, I'm just pointing out how full of shit he is.
He's never going to become the next Hitler or Mussolini, because you have to take risks to take over a country (also because we wont let him).
He wants you to run scared. Dont run scared. He's a clown pretending to be President, and he's destined to destroy himself. But we all have a role to play in bringing that about- so let's stop desparing and get to work brainstorming strategies and organizing ourselves.
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.

Uh that change in the constitution means alot. Just the symbolism heightens the possibility.
And the economics will suck. First the sudden trade barriers but the red states in the middle will lose significant purchase power from the lack of coastal state taxes and red state policy against government transfers. The blue states will suddenly become enclaves with smaller markets and significantly fewer natural resources. When—not if—the coastal states are reintegrated, the US will probably have already been split into fiefdoms for the wealthy. (Republicans, back when they were respectable, did something similar after the Southern succession temporarily crippled the democrats).
it won't work because
Plus the fundamental truth, best outlined in this comment on that California story:
edited 27th Jan '17 4:55:53 PM by CenturyEye
Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives