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CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#170201: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:07:56 PM

[up]*11—I think more President Obama more fit being the Old Kai to Trump's Majin Buu...anyway... On the Ongoing American Sakoku:

  • Trump Mexico wall will destroy lives, Berlin mayor warns
    Mr Mueller warned such divides cause "slavery and pain" and would "destroy the lives of millions"... "We cannot let our historical experience get trashed by the very people to whom we owe much of our freedom: the Americans. "I call on the president not to go down the road of isolation," the statement reads (in German). "Mr President, don't build this wall."
  • Trump's looming 'extreme vetting' order sows seeds of panic
    Tom Jensen, an immigration lawyer in Washington DC, spent a good portion of his day yesterday on the phone to a frantic client in Iraq.

    In December 2016, after a three-year process, the man and his family were finally approved for resettlement in the US. They are scheduled to board a plane for the US on 7 February.

    But on Wednesday, after an alleged draft copy of President Donald Trump executive action on refugees and immigration from predominantly Muslim countries was leaked to the press, panic erupted around the globe among refugees, their families and advocates. Jensen's client considered spending considerable money to buy next-day tickets for himself, his wife and his three children in an effort to outrun President Trump's pen.

    The leaked copy of the draft order - titled "Protecting the Nation From Terrorist Attacks by Foreign Nationals" - has not been acknowledged by the White House. However, other leaked executive orders have been proven to be authentic copies and were signed by Trump over the past week.

    The draft refugee order could also be altered before it lands on Trump's desk. Nevertheless, its contents caused considerable reaction in the US press and among immigration lawyers trying to figure out what will come next.

    The most dramatic provisions in the draft version would suspend all refugee admissions for four months with an exception for "religious minorities", indefinitely bar entry for Syrian refugees, and suspend all visa entry into the US from seven countries for 30 days. Those countries have predominantly Muslim populations, and are reported to be Syria, Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Sudan and Yemen.

    [Kay Bellor], like other refugee advocates, frets that closing the country to refugees and especially to former allies who assisted in US conflicts is actually a threat to national security.

    "I think it's really going to hurt our standing in the world," says Heller. "Whatever our next foreign policy adventure is, we're going to need local buy-in. If we abandon our allies on this, we're going to have trouble finding new allies."
  • I dont know what to say about this one...

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#170202: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:09:46 PM

[up][up] What about New York?

[up] Everything going on here is so fucked up, I barely have words. We're turning into fucking 1930s Germany.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#170203: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:12:14 PM

Concentrating refugees is a really bad idea, and countries like the US have no excuse for not spreading them out.

[up]New York would probably split off with the northeast.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#170204: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:13:12 PM

The Coastal Elites making their own country?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#170205: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:13:32 PM

Bloomberg: "Trump’s Immigration Ban Excludes Countries With Business Ties". Funny detail: of the 9/11 plane hijackers, none of them were from countries on the list.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#170206: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:14:50 PM

I don't think most people believe the US is going to let California go but with all these rumblings from California about changing the state constitution to make it so California is no longer indivisible from the US and a referendum if approved (and if the people vote for independence) could scare D.C. into appeasing the state.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#170207: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:15:13 PM

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#170208: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:15:15 PM

If New York and the rest of New England secede I hope they can drag PA with them somehow. I don't want to be stuck with this idiocy.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#170209: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:17:03 PM

On the other hand, PA helped sell out humanity. By a narrow margin mind you, but still...

Maybe if most of the state starts regretting their decision. Otherwise, you could probably jump over the state lines before a split (assuming a shooting war isn't going down).

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#170210: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:19:28 PM

Have we forgotten that one of the bigger names behind a California secession is literally living in Russia?

Have we forgotten who actually wins if the US splits up?

Oh really when?
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#170211: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:22:04 PM

I'm not encouraging/cheering a US break up, far from it. For one, living between a violently shattering superpower and goddamn Russia sounds like a bad deal.

Just speculating on how it would go down.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#170212: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:22:06 PM

Something not directly related to the Clown-in-Chief though it fits his era...

Tulsi Gabbard's Syria meeting with Assad sparks outcry

Democratic Congress leaders had not been notified of the trip in advance.
Republican congressman Adam Kinzinger called it "a shame and a disgrace".
After her week-long visit to Syria, Ms Gabbard submitted the "Stop Arming Terrorists" bill, which is designed to halt US support for Syrian rebel groups.
In a statement on Wednesday she urged the US to "end our war to overthrow the Syrian government and focus our attention on defeating al-Qaeda" and the so-called Islamic State.

I uh don't know what to say about this one either...

edited 27th Jan '17 4:22:46 PM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#170213: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:25:29 PM

The Coastal Elites making their own country?

It'd split into two countries (a West Coast country and a Northeast coast country) although a country made of the West Coast and East called The Coastal States of America would be an interesting name considering the last secession movement's acronym for their country was also CSA but I doubt we want to be associated with them.

But anyways that would halve the original US' economy maybe worse.

edited 27th Jan '17 4:26:38 PM by MadSkillz

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#170214: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:27:57 PM

[up][up]I wish people would stop pretending Gabbard was anything but a dyed-in-the-wool Republican, especially Sanders. The only reason she caucuses with the Democrats is because it is functionally impossible to win a national seat on the Republican ticket in Hawaii.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#170215: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:28:17 PM

Have we forgotten that one of the bigger names behind a California secession is literally living in Russia? Have we forgotten who actually wins if the US splits up?

I don't want California to split off from the US either because then I'd be scared that the US would nuke us.

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#170216: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:29:05 PM

Trump now saying he wants refugees to be admitted only if they're Christians.

edit- link

edited 27th Jan '17 4:31:06 PM by carbon-mantis

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#170217: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:29:16 PM

I also am not advocating secession. I'm just saying if it happens I don't want to be stuck with Trump.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#170218: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:30:18 PM

I don't want it because it would suck for everyone involved and ensure the Dems never get back into power in Washington.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#170219: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:31:15 PM

California isn't going to secede, period. It's not worth seriously considering beyond entertainment or theory.

edited 27th Jan '17 4:35:40 PM by SilentColossus

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#170220: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:32:26 PM

@Link I mean if all the blue states were to manage to secede then DC would be part of the new country of New England. The Republic of Atlantic America?

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#170221: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:35:10 PM

I meant like control of the federal US government.

The disintegration of the United States in any capacity would suck for it and the rest of the world.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#170222: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:35:49 PM

@New York: If secession ever happened the state would probably split in two between Upstate and Downstate.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#170223: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:36:37 PM

California isn't going to secede, period. It's not worth seriously considering beyond for fun or theory.

That's what people say about Catalonia within Spain but it's still worth talking about it.

I mean the independence movement has been gaining a lot of steam within California and it's just one week so far.

The thing is that this independence movement is just situational. Take Trump out and you remove the steam behind it.

If Trump doesn't give up power, he gets re-elected despite fucking the country up or another republican just as bad wins without the popular vote then that's when things really start blow up.

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#170224: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:42:24 PM

Here's the thing about thay California constitution thing - the change doesn't mean dick because the states are already indivisible as per the US Constitution (not in the actual text, but via SCOTUS precedent hinging on the words "more perfect union" and the "perpetual union" clause of the Articles of Confederation).

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#170225: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:50:20 PM

"An indivisible Union of indivisible states." To use the Supreme Court's exact words.


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