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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
The Constitution's a just piece of paper unless it's enforced.
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Vice Fuhrer Pence says that the new regime is planning a "full investigation" of voter fraud.
Theory: we all know this investigation will be a complete and utter sham, because expecting honesty and integrity from a fascist party is like expecting the clouds to rain beer. It will turn up whatever they want it to turn up.
So it'll turn up evidence that there really were three and a half million illegal votes cast. Why not? They control the government and the investigative bodies, they can forge the evidence and make it look like there was voter fraud on an epic scale.
Then they can say that, guess what, Trump won the popular vote by historic proportions. Maybe they even retroactive flip some of the blue states in his favor. Trump gets to crow about his victory, his massive glass-fragile ego thus assuaged. And meanwhile...well hey, we had millions of illegal votes cast, lookit the proof. Guess we better do a serious crackdown on voter fraud, eh guys?
And come 2020, if they don't get the result they want? "Oh shit, look! Another three million illegal votes! Everybody ready for another four years of Trump?"
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I feel sorry for all Democrats, because they may never replace Trump at this rate.
edited 26th Jan '17 8:45:28 PM by RBluefish
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That would require so much effort to make sure no one ever ever questions Trump: From Individual Citizens, to News Reporters, to entire Websites, to Congressmen and Women of both parties! Trump would basically have to destroy the very fabric of American Society to get away with creating fraudulent evidence to try and claim an Election was rigged against him. If he tries that, Civil War is all but guaranteed.
He'll definitely be gone by Year 3 as long as the Democrats gain a House in Congress. They'll do something that makes Trump get impeached (a la Andrew Johnson), and even if he escapes it, he will become poison to the Republicans (most of whom lack a spine) and to the Public at large (if he isn't already).
Difficult, but not impossible, especially if we start seeing a Recession due to Trump's lack of knowledge on Economics.
edited 26th Jan '17 9:03:41 PM by DingoWalley1
That's going to be very difficult; 8 GOP seats are up in the senate versus 23 for the democrats, the house is gerrymandered as fuck so that's a non-starter and 23 democrats are up. Governors' manors look a lot better for the democrats in 2018 on the other hand.
edited 26th Jan '17 9:05:20 PM by CaptainCapsase
The House isn't a non-starter, it's only been one for the last few years because Democratic leadership have insisted that it can't be won and thus refused to fight for it. Remember the Dems can't hold the White House without taking back full control of Congress, because full control of Congress is the only way to reinstate the Voting Rights Act.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranWhat's it look like he's doing?
Reposting this, because people need to keep it in the forefront of their minds.
Gerrymandering will probably negate that possibility.
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On the state level, yes. Unfortunately on the federal level the GOP is in very good shape in 2018.
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The house electoral districts are hideously gerrymandered in a big chunk of the nation, and the democrats need to gain 24 seats to flip it, which hasn't happened since the last redistricting in terms of pro-democrat swings.
edited 26th Jan '17 9:13:53 PM by CaptainCapsase
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He's being a complete and total ass hat, and a despicable President, but he can't even keep his Staffers quiet from spreading information out of the White House through Twitter! He's Incompetent, at least right now; Too incompetent to pull off something so insane and evil that he could get away with it, like creating a fake fraud. Sure, his supporters believe it 100% because they don't know crap, but anyone that actually takes the time to learn stuff knows he's wrong, and someone from within the Government would immediately expose something like that, and every Media Group (even Fox News) would be going crazy with the Story.
edited 26th Jan '17 9:14:48 PM by DingoWalley1
The president's party has only made gains in the House three times in history during the midterms, Bush managed it in 2002 because of 9/11, Clinton in 1998 because of the attempted impeachment of him and Roosevelt managed it in 1934 due to the New Deal.
The Dems need to win big to actually retake the House but it's far from a non-starter.
Yes it's going to be hard but the Dems have the advantage in the House going into 2018.
edited 26th Jan '17 9:15:44 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranAre you sure about the GOP's chances in the mid-terms? Between short term (and unsustainable) economic gain, even if its mostly Obama's doing, and a good combination of election rigging and propaganda....I'm not willing to count the American Fascist Party out of anything at this point.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.A lot comes down to if Trump's people are able to gag him as the Midterms get closer, plus the state of the economy come the back end of 2018. If the economy is doing badly and prices have gone up (which they will if Trump manages his tariff idea, even if just on Mexico) there are going to be a lot of angry people and a lot of people disappointment that Trump hasn't changed anything for them.
If Trump is gagged for the week before the Midterms, the economy hasn't dropped and Trump has somehow managed to bring about improvements for the Republican base the Republicans should suffer only minor loses, but I doubt Trump can manage even one of thosue three things.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranI am not optimistic, due to the sheer amount of election rigging the Republicans will have had the chance to do by 2018. Look at how much rigging they've already accomplished. Look at how much they're working on right now. Add two more years of this shit, only without the fetters imposed by Obama, and do the math.
@Dingo Walley 1: A scheme this big wouldn't come from Trump, it would come from someone competent. Someone like Pence or Bannon - hell, even Putin for all we know. Trump's the loud figurehead who gets the ball rolling, and then the powers behind the throne silently do the rest.
As for the media, Fox is basically state-run propaganda already, and the other media companies may prove frighteningly easy to neuter. I mean, they've already proven themselves utterly pathetic in their handling of the previous election cycle, and they're wearing the kid gloves in their handling of the new regime despite said regime's open contempt for them. We cannot hang our hopes on mainstream media displaying some sort of journalistic integrity, because they're half the reason we're in this mess.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."@RB Luefish: As terrible as gerrymandering as it is, it doesn't actually spell the end of Democrats getting any seats in Congress. You, and others to be fair, keep repeating "it will never happen again" in regards to the Democrats accomplishing anything, and that's pretty fucking childish and also defeatist and basically calling for us all to give up because why bother if it'll never happen.
Seriously, acting like that is just preparing for it to actually be true. Rather than, you know, talking constructively about the issue and preserving what we've still got. Extreme pessimism isn't any more mature or useful than extreme optimism.
Also, Fox isn't state run propaganda. It's right wing propaganda, and has deliberately made itself so from the start, because the founder felt that all other news at the time of its creation was "too liberal". It hasn't suddenly turned into something new and is going to remain the same even when Republicans have less control than they do now.
edited 26th Jan '17 9:39:05 PM by AceofSpades
I'm not calling people to give up, just pointing out that these midterms are much more about the gubernational elections for the democrats on the federal level because of the numerous structural advantages (fewer seats up for grabs in the senate, gerrymandered house districts) in favor of the GOP. There's also a pressing need to focus on state level politics.
edited 26th Jan '17 9:38:25 PM by CaptainCapsase
Listen, Capsase, if you aren't the one saying things are "never going to happen" then I'm probably not talking to you. Although with the absurdly apocalyptic tone you take sometimes you may have at some point. I would like it if you would say what you think is likely to happen rather than talking about the most extreme thing as if it were a sure thing.
Preparing for it to be true is crucial. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. It's not "fucking childish" to face the facts and realize that the Democrats are in a dire situation of probably unprecedented proportions, and that right now, we are not seeing the kind of decisive action and unflinching leadership that's required to get us out of it. If we don't acknowledge that frightening fact, then we screw ourselves.
Gerrymandering is what let the Republicans take Congress. It's not hard to extrapolate that it will give them serious advantage in keeping it - and that's added on top of the incredibly daunting map that Democrats will be facing. I'm not an optimist or a pessimist, I'm a realist.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."The cancelled ceremony was rumored to be the investigation into voter fraud.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot

edited 26th Jan '17 8:45:16 PM by CaptainCapsase