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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#169877: Jan 26th 2017 at 1:51:56 PM

[up][up] Any country in the Western Hemisphere attempting to wage a trade war against Trump's American is very likely to find itself on the recieving end of American hard power either covertly (can you say CIA coup plots?) or even overtly; this is one of the reasons I have always been extremely critical of American hegemony in general; there's almost nothing anyone in the hemisphere can do to stop him.

If what I fear might be happening actually comes to pass, this sort of neomercantalist thinking will spread like wildfire across the world, and soon enough we'll be back to 19th century style imperialism and spheres of influence under a different name.

edited 26th Jan '17 1:55:52 PM by CaptainCapsase

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#169878: Jan 26th 2017 at 1:55:52 PM

[up][up]I feel like we should edit other people onto Shinji and Asuka, but I don't know who.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#169879: Jan 26th 2017 at 1:56:29 PM

[up][up]How about all of them minus Russia? because that now seems possible.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#169880: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:01:21 PM

[up] Russia isn't part of the Western Hemisphere, and even then, neither they nor China can really do anything about the United States doing it's usual routine in Latin America even if they cared to, in the same way the United States can't stop Russia from fucking with post-Soviet states and engineering frozen conflicts to create buffer zones.

edited 26th Jan '17 2:02:13 PM by CaptainCapsase

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#169881: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:06:30 PM

That tax is gonna be a huge problem for me, as I am a primarily Japanese gamer. The Nintendo Switch is pretty much doomed now (At least in North America) too. Anyways, I am going to back out of this topic to preserve my sanity, so this might be my last post here.

edited 26th Jan '17 2:07:23 PM by Bat178

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#169882: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:07:18 PM

Mexico provides like 70% of the imported fresh fruits and vegetables that the US consumes. All this will achieve is the import companies going "well, Mexico is too expensive, let's look at Honduras', El Salvador's and Costa Rica's fruits and vegetables." Chances are that it will royally screw up the US far more than Mexico.

Like, you know what Mexico's car manufacturing sector looks like? They don't actually tend to build whole cars, they build specific parts that aren't usually made in the US. The huge international companies are likely to have a plant or two in the US, and make a lot of their international cars in Mexico because a lot of the infrastructure already exists to do that, and Mexico would love it.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#169883: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:11:44 PM

[up][up] Only the Switch? Considering most Electronics are made in China, Japan or South Korea, it won't just be the Switch. The PS 4, The PS 4 Pro, The X Box One, the X Box Scorpio, even basic Laptops, PC's, Tablets, Smartphones and even TV's are all going to go up in expense.

And again, this will help trigger a Recession...

[up] He wants to apply the Tariff to every nation in the world at some point that isn't the USA. So, it won't matter where they're grown, they're gonna cost 20% more.

edited 26th Jan '17 2:12:49 PM by DingoWalley1

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#169884: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:12:47 PM

[up] At least they still have Europe to fall back to. Europe will probably become the new biggest market for entertainment as North America looks to be going kaput.

edited 26th Jan '17 2:16:15 PM by Bat178

henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#169885: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:13:27 PM

@DingoWalley1
Anarchism is a far-left ideology, and has nothing to do with Ayn Rand's objectivism. If anything, Bannon is a fascist—he probably just called himself a "leninist" in order to sound edgy.

edited 26th Jan '17 2:13:38 PM by henry42

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#169886: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:14:30 PM

  • snicker* Can't wait...I especially can't wait for the realisation that the US is dependent on European imports. At this rate it will be cheaper to put together a Car in Mexico and pay the 20% once than putting it together in the US and pay the 20% on most of the parts plus the higher wages.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#169887: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:16:04 PM

As was mentioned ages ago, Trump's trying to run America like he runs his business. And if he keeps running America like he runs his business, he's going to run it straight into the ground. Just like his business.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#169888: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:17:28 PM

That is something that I think needs to be emphasized. There are no products (beyond some types of food) that have their entire chain of production in the US. Every single one of them is either made elsewhere and brought in, or the pieces are made elsewhere and it's just assembled in the US. Trump has managed to stumble on the single thing that could quite possibly kill the entire US manufacturing sector.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#169889: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:18:20 PM

[up] And the US would probably become a nation-wide Detroit, though it looks to already be heading there.

edited 26th Jan '17 2:27:13 PM by Bat178

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#169890: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:18:48 PM

@henry42: You do know that almost every School of Political Thought has multiple schools within them, right? Individualist Anarchism, for instance, would fit a person like Bannon, who hates external governments and wants to do whatever the hell he wants to, damn with everyone else.

edited 26th Jan '17 2:19:10 PM by DingoWalley1

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#169891: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:27:33 PM

"But he is gonna keep the Mexicans out, and save jobs by building a wall!"-Average Trump voter.

edited 26th Jan '17 2:28:30 PM by Wildcard

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#169892: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:31:54 PM

Though, honestly, it was only a matter of time before the American Empire crumbled. Empires rise, empires fall. Business as usual.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#169893: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:33:49 PM

[up] And our Empire sadly only had 70-ish years (90 if you want to add the roaring 20's and depressed 30's).

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#169894: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:36:47 PM

Anarchism and a skeleton crew government done with the US type of libertarian ideology fits in very well with people like Bannon.

That is because if there was no government oversight or any form of governing body outside town communities, means that whoever is wealthy or influential enough to set the rules can do whatever they please. This also means that organized groups could pretty much become rulers of their own cities without answering any other form of government or be accountable for their misdeeds.

In case of white nationalists like Bannon, this means that minorities are target practice at worst and second class slaves at best, which also lets them enforce their own vision of how the US should be and simply do away with anyone who disagrees with impunity.

Also Henry, Anarchism isn't inherently left wing or right wing. Basically anarchism in itself should be above political leanings of left and right where it constitutes the lack of a governing body being imposed on the population and instead the decisions are made from the bottom up without the need for a government. There are right and left wing versions of Anarchism with right wing anarchism being the US brand of libertarianism while the left wing anarchism being communism.

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Lost in Space
#169895: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:42:06 PM

Folks like Bannon envision Thunderdome style arrangements where poor people battle for whatever tidbits their masters dribble out, with the few survivors paraded around as an example of how you can rise above your peers if you struggle hard enough. They read The Hunger Games and look at it as an example of how to run a nation, with Snow as the hero. They see the opposition party as Coin, struggling for power but the same basic mentality inside.

edited 26th Jan '17 2:43:18 PM by Fighteer

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#169896: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:43:26 PM

I can see that the Mad Max references are going to be holding steady over then next 4+ years. Let's just hope they don't become too directly relevant.

Myself, I've been diligently doing my part trying to turn "Immortan Don" into a thing.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#169897: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:50:12 PM

Mad Max: beyond the Trump Dome?

Inter arma enim silent leges
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#169898: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:55:00 PM

I was at least history-savvy enough to predict the end of the American Empire. It doesn't matter how big or strong your military or economy is if you don't have the leadership to properly use them. Rome found that out the hard way. To be fair, though, I was expecting the American Empire to last a bit longer.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#169899: Jan 26th 2017 at 3:00:36 PM

[up]Same here. That said, I also thought that maybe we could have just quietly turned into a smaller, less responsible, yet still fairly respected nation over time. What I didn't think was that we might be getting 'Great Depression 2: Electric Bugaloo' before we even came close to to that.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#169900: Jan 26th 2017 at 3:18:36 PM

I made a slight mistake in my statement about the chain of production up there. There are no products at all that are entirely made within the US. Even food has the machines required to harvest it being at least partly made outside of the US.


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