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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#169801: Jan 26th 2017 at 8:51:27 AM

"What is it? What have they sent us?"

"Hope."

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#169802: Jan 26th 2017 at 8:51:39 AM

[up][up][up] Man, what finally gave them the idea that the voters wanted them to dig in and push back? Was it the march of millions of people around the world basically screaming "SPINE UP AND FIGHT, YOU COWARDS?"

Well, let's see if this amounts to action, or just a lot of tough talk. Will it actually move the wimps in Congress, for instance? Schumer in particular needs to wake up and dispense with any notion of bipartisanship or negotiation.

edited 26th Jan '17 8:51:47 AM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#169804: Jan 26th 2017 at 8:54:45 AM

Bipartisanship is more or less impossible with the GOP the way it is now. They've been favoring those who put Party over Country for so long that any Republican who does want to give bipartisanship a chance will never be in a position with any real power.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#169805: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:03:38 AM

@Tactical: I don't see much of a choice in the matter unless GOP leaders suddenly start developing a spine, but you have to realize they're going to nuke the filibuster once senate democrats try something.

Which is another reason why I put so much emphasis on trying to peel away GOP leadership even if that means compromising with them; they are the only ones who can stop Trump; senate democrats are just along for the ride unless we can get some GOP lawmakers to turn.

edited 26th Jan '17 9:07:55 AM by CaptainCapsase

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#169806: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:06:11 AM

Has actual filibustering been nuked or just the cheep workaround where one threatens a filibuster and doesn't have to follow though? Because if actual filibusters are still possible it might be time for the Dems to try them.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#169807: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:11:28 AM

I'm just a little bit concerned that it might look like we're taking the GOP's place as the obstructionist assholes. However, I applaud them, because Trump needs to be opposed where he can.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#169808: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:13:45 AM

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. 8 years of full obstructionism caused enough damage for the Republicans to win 2016, I want to see what we can do in 2 years.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#169810: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:21:02 AM

[up][up] There's also the difference that the Republicans obstructed attempts of progress while the Democrats will (hopefully) obstruct attempts of rolling back progress.

edited 26th Jan '17 9:21:22 AM by DrunkenNordmann

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#169811: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:23:36 AM

[up][up] Thing is, the wall may very well cost more than that in the end. Even if it's not finished.

Disgusted, but not surprised
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#169812: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:23:47 AM

From the Politico article: "In legislative proposals, campaign promises, donor pitches and even in some Senate hearings, Democrats have opted for a hard-line, give-no-quarter posture, a reflection of a seething party base that will have it no other way."

About. Freaking. Time.

Dems start developing their strategies: "...Manchin and nine other Senate Democrats are up for reelection next year in states that Trump won. Much of the event appears geared at figuring out how to turn people who supported Trump into Democratic voters in 2018.

Former Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear (D), along with Sens. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) and Michael Bennet (D-Colo.), held a session on “speaking to those who feel invisible in rural America," according to the schedule. Other sessions were along similar lines: “Listening to those feel unheard” and “Rising America — They feel unheard too.”

On Thursday Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) will discuss political tactics for the midterm election and Democrats will strategize on how to define themselves and Trump. Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Tim Kaine (D-Va.) and Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) will talk about “Triangulating Trump,” emphasizing that they can go around Republicans by trying to work with Trump on infrastructure, outsourcing and trade."

Interesting. Let's hope they have the courage of their workshop convictions.

Oh, and that story about the State Department officials who resigned? It was six of the topmost positions, including Patrick Kennedy, the undersecretary.

Along with the Rogue Government Twitter revolt, this has to mark the greatest open revolt by gov't workers in, well ever.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#169813: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:27:14 AM

[up]Damn Straight!

Also Marquis, do you believe that a second civil war may break out?

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#169814: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:33:37 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]Damn. Wall ain't even built yet, and it's already keeping Mexicans out.

tongue

edited 26th Jan '17 9:33:51 AM by TacticalFox88

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#169815: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:39:23 AM

Really, let him build that stupid wall...of all the things he plans to do, this is in a way the least damaging, which will demonstrate his foolishness better than anything else. Mexico can certainly use the money, and future generation can visit the damn thing as visible monument for stupidity.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#169816: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:40:27 AM

[up] "Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair!"

SMH

Disgusted, but not surprised
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#169817: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:46:57 AM

[up][up] That's another problem entirely: If there's a 35% Tariff on Imported Goods, especially from Mexico, that will kill many Businesses in Mexico and that will only guarantee MORE Illegal Immigrants are going to come here.

It'd be one thing if it was just the Wall, but it's also a Tariff and increased Policing of Illegals. It's essentially a giant Middle Finger to Mexico and other Hispanic Countries and us yelling at them "You stay poor you freakin' Brown People!" The Wall is a waste of Money, it's not going to stop anyone from coming over, and it's just an exercise in Racism and Fascism.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#169818: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:50:28 AM

Though Texas and New Mexico will also suffer with the trade tariffs.

Inter arma enim silent leges
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#169820: Jan 26th 2017 at 10:24:05 AM

@Luigisan: No, but some level of street violence is not out of the question. Right wing mobs have not shown up at progressive marches so far, but historically that's the next step.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#169821: Jan 26th 2017 at 10:27:42 AM

[up] I see...but even the mobs would not resist mass mobilization, right?

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#169822: Jan 26th 2017 at 10:37:52 AM

Really, let him build that stupid wall...of all the things he plans to do, this is in a way the least damaging, which will demonstrate his foolishness better than anything else.

Even if he builds it with prison slave labor? To say nothing of the damage it would do to the environment and the ecosystem.

And I mean...we're talking about 10 to 40 billion dollars here. Think of how much good could be done with that money, instead of turning it into a racist monument to stupidity. Hell, here's a list.

It's true that it's probably one of the least destructive things Trump is attempting...but that's a damn low bar. It should still be opposed tooth and nail.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#169823: Jan 26th 2017 at 10:41:04 AM

[up]Yeah, do you think anyone would stand still in the construction of the wall? Of course there will be attempts of sabotage.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#169825: Jan 26th 2017 at 10:42:48 AM

[up][up] No doubt, but then that would be called domestic terrorism and lead to a crackdown. Anyone they catch trying to sabotage its construction gets arrested on trumped-up (heh) charges and is quite possibly never seen again.

edited 26th Jan '17 10:43:01 AM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."

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