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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#169526: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:20:05 PM

The signs would be conventional conflict first. It could easily start with a Tweet but we'd likely get a demand for an apology, an attempted federalisation of a state's national guard to bring the offending politicians in by force, the attempted use of regular US military forces to bring the offender in by force and after that the deceleration of a state to be in rebellion followed by an attempted nuclear strike on that state's capital.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#169527: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:24:18 PM

That's how things would progress if they were operating by some semblance of rationality.

Trump has no semblance of rationality. When he does use nukes, be the target foreign or domestic, it's likely that it will be so sudden and so utterly pointlessly petty that it will shock even his most hardcore supporters.

Either that or it'll be in response to a long-running problem that he got tired of seeing on the news. He'll think of it as Cutting the Knot, not wiping out millions of lives.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#169528: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:26:27 PM

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members

This site lists off every member of Congress. You can add / and your state's abbreviations to get the page for your own reps and senators. I managed three of my five congresspeople. Apparently my zip code is split among more than one district or something and I'm not getting any results giving me some +4 numbers bs, so I can't even email two of the representatives. Three people is still not bad. If you want to contact your state governments with letters of your own, there's the one stop shop for their names and page links.

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#169529: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:27:51 PM

Well reducing any significant city in any state will swing it red. That's part of why Georgia had the county unit system for so long and why it retain vestige of rural control in its legislature. (It was "Southern Democrats" then, but their intellectual descendants are the modern Republican backbone). To this day, suburban sprawl stays what would otherwise be an overwhelming urban constituency.

Also his supporters ere looking for a strongman to punish "the other." The sudden and fiery disappearance of a major city may just as likely elicit cheers from his base as revulsion. Sympathy does not work when you've been labelled the enemy.

edited 25th Jan '17 3:30:49 PM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#169530: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:30:29 PM

Hey, more reason to freak the fuck out. A political science expert warns that at the rate things are progressing, domestic and foreign government stability may be fully broken down by 2018. (Seems like a good time to remind everybody of a couple of choice quotes from Trump and Bannon.)

Basically, at this rate, we may be headed for the Mad Max times, sounds like. All hail Immortan Don.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#169531: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:33:22 PM

I'm not reading all of this. There's only so much I can focus on and I'm still catching up on stuff from before. Like, I haven't even researched pillarization that somebody referenced when discussing my stock market kickstarter idea. Which is kind of a moot point anyway til we shore up the internet's future.

I finally get why the mods here hate people going off the deep end on doom and gloom. tongue

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#169532: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:35:29 PM

...it makes me pretty sad that Donald isn't really that far off from Immortan Joe.

What's the US going to look like by February? June? December? People need to keep fighting but I'm kinda scared myself.

edited 25th Jan '17 3:36:04 PM by Draghinazzo

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#169533: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:35:40 PM

So, some activism news:

Next massive anti-Trump protest has just been announced It's sched for April 15 and will demand that he release his tax returns

Protest Works The Trump Administration's meltdown proves it.

Protests Against Donald Trump has it's own Wikipedia article now.

Police injured, more than 200 arrested at Trump inauguration protests in DC Most of you have heard about this already, but I include it for completeness sake.

Why Anti-Trump Protests Matter It's more than just a release for anger – taking to the streets is a necessary way to participate in democracy. From the Rolling Stone.

How Trump Protesters Should Organize Themselves from Science Of Us, what the research says about successful protest movements.

(tl/dr: Protests are just one component of a larger political strategy which includes lobbying Congress and Civil Disobedience. Also, focus on policy and not so much on Trump himself. And dont insist on ideological purity when organizing the movement)

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#169534: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:36:22 PM

I think it's good to know how to pick your battles, actually. The way we get through this isn't by everybody trying to do everything - it's by everybody choosing a handful of issues that are important to them, and fighting like hell for them. Everybody's got a role to play, and we can't be everywhere at once.

Also, accidentally bottompaged an important post so everybody please ignore me and read [up]

edited 25th Jan '17 3:37:13 PM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#169535: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:37:29 PM

I don't even bother panicking about aircraft and such. Beyond the fact that the most likely way nuclear weapons would be deployed against us (or anyone, really) is via ballistic missile (much faster and much smaller and harder to spot on the way down than a bomber, plus they can be crammed into submarines), I've long since accepted that if a nuclear exchange happens, I'm gonna fry, and I only hope I get vaporized by the initial blast, rather than burning to death or suffering from the radioactive effects of the weapon.

If it helps, provided that you aren't in a super-major city and/or near major military installations, you're probably safe from the effects of a retaliatory strike by anyone other than Russia, as the other major nuclear powers (UK, France, and China) only have about 200-300 warheads (India and Pakistan each have about 100-130 nukes, North Korea has about 10, and Israel (assuming they do in fact possess nukes) is a bit of an unknown, with estimates ranging from 80 to 400) many of which would be devoted to high-priority tagets like DC, STRATCOM, Cheyenne Mountain, and other major military facilities.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#169536: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:40:54 PM

I live in a village not far outside a smallish city that's seen better days, butted right up against a wealthier one. As far as the nukes themselves, I'm safe. Fallout? I'm not sure if there's enough hills between the targets and me to stop that shit.

Eh, maybe I'll turn into a ghoul and have a real long lifespan. I already look like that Chris guy from New Vegas who thought he was a ghoul. [lol]

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#169537: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:44:43 PM

Should I start converting my dollars into euros? Or Canadian dollars?

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#169538: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:46:12 PM

@Plane Panic: Been there, done that after 9/11.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#169539: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:46:16 PM

I live in California, which would be one of the biggest targets in a nuclear strike, but I live in the suburbs of Trabuco Canyon, not one of the big cities. Most of the media I watch, read and play is Japanese, though lack of Net Neutrality would cause problems with that since they are foreign (Should I back up pictures I like on Pixiv to my laptop?), and I talk with my friend on Deviantart (Which would also probably get affected by Net Neutrality) everyday.

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#169540: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:47:10 PM

This is what I meant by pillarisation. (It's on this very site).

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#169541: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:47:43 PM

Gold. Silver. Anything precious. They can be converted to whatever currency is best when this is all done. Avoid diamonds. Those are a fucking trap. They're not valuable, they're common, and no self respecting jewelry store ever gives you what you paid for them, let alone a profit. Emeralds, rubies, sapphires, sure. But diamonds? Wave them off or strip them off the bands and keep the gold and silver instead.

ETA: Eh, what I had in mind could have lead to pilarisation I suppose, but that wasn't the intent. It was more just a way for us to strike back in a language the republicans already knew without making enemies of the lower classes we're trying to help protect. I doubt it would work anyway. The gap is exaggerated to hell and back by those ninety nine percenters but not nearly enough for us to actually make up the difference for a select few who could fight the system. We'd wind up seeing our efforts coopted and broken the same way the Tea Party was.

edited 25th Jan '17 3:51:01 PM by Journeyman

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#169542: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:49:27 PM

Should I start converting my dollars into euros? Or Canadian dollars?
Rubles, duh. And I'm pretty sure the other two aren't doing so hot right now.

Though in the event of US collapse, I don't think any currency is going to help.

edited 25th Jan '17 3:49:59 PM by Eschaton

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#169543: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:49:52 PM

Stock up on canned food and clean water while you're at it. At least a few weeks' worth.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#169544: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:50:35 PM

And I can't say I'd advise investing in Worthless Yellow Rocks, either.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#169545: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:51:41 PM

A little levity for a moment. On last night's Conan:

"Big day in Hollywood. You probably all heard the news. The Oscar nominations came out today, and the movie La La Land got 14 nominations. However, that's only because 3 to 5 million undocumented immigrants voted illegally."

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#169546: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:51:54 PM

I'm wealthy so I'm thinking about just immigrating after I graduate this year.

Just gotta choose between Canada, Australia and Spain.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#169547: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:52:11 PM

It would definitely take considerable time for gold to outvalue a loaf of bread and a bottle of clean water if this goes as bad as they claim.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#169548: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:53:43 PM

If we're talking truly calamitous breakdown, then we can add weapons and ammo to that list. They'll be the most precious of all.

Also batteries and medicine, naturally.

And convert all of your money into bottlecaps. Stat.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#169549: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:55:41 PM

I understand the concern, but I feel like we might be going a bit too far in the hysteria right now?

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#169550: Jan 25th 2017 at 3:58:11 PM

Depends on whether you think people are joking about currency conversion

edited 25th Jan '17 3:58:26 PM by sgamer82


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