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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
@Journeyman: Lucky for us then that our Martial Law actually sucks: Habeus Corpus doesn't end elections in the USA (as evidence by Lincoln and FDR both having to run for election during Wars were Habeus Corpus was suspended), the Posse Comitatus Act
prevents the Military from enforcing Domestic Policies in the USA, and Martial Law is so watered in the USA that it isn't worth it to declare it nation wide. It also doesn't matter if half the Military supports Trump: They are not bound to the President, they are bound to the Constitution.
Also, I just realized, Trump can't legally send the Army into Chicago to fight off gangs because that violates the Posse Comitatus Act.
edited 24th Jan '17 8:12:34 PM by DingoWalley1
I kind of doubt that that kind of scenario will happen? Guess I gotta be mentally prepared for anything just in case though.
I guess, if that kind of thing were to happen, I can bank on the fact that I'm nowhere near physically or mentally capable enough to be of any use to the military. Still find that pretty unlikely though.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison![]()
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Since when to laws and rules apply to Trump? The ones he can't ignore, he will change.
edited 24th Jan '17 8:13:32 PM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."Guess we'll have to hope that he'll be held accountable then :)
edited 24th Jan '17 8:13:35 PM by Lanceleoghauni
"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"Well, I'll provide a link to the Web Archive's US military manual
database to download as much potentially useful information while we still can in the event of an . . . adverse event, so to speak.
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edited 24th Jan '17 8:20:02 PM by FluffyMcChicken
"It also doesn't matter if half the Military supports Trump: They are not bound to the President, they are bound to the Constitution."
The Constitution is a piece of paper. The US military isn't bound to anything at all except what it wants to be bound to. No military is. The PRESIDENT is supposed to be bound to this piece of paper whose writers would be storming out of their graves and dragging him back into one with them if they could, and he ain't playing ball with it.
ETA: Funny, I was actually going to come and talk about how my day went since I'd actually talked to quite a few people, both customers and co-workers, and sharpened my pro-Net Neutrality discussion skills, but after reading everything he did today I somehow think Net Neutrality is either the least of our concerns or out of our hands entirely. I can only hope my friends were right in saying you couldn't kill the major sites because the internet is a public service and those sites have a lot of money.
edited 24th Jan '17 8:24:04 PM by Journeyman
Which is why I'm predicting the Trump Administration to not actually order law enforcement or National Guard forces let loose on protesters, but merely turn a blind eye towards the Right-Wing Militia Fanatic groups who don't follow an official chain of command and can be cut loose for political convenience when their purpose as attack dogs has been served.
Rep. Mick Mulvaney, Trump's pick for Director for Office of Budget and Management, says SS, Medicare and Medicaid need Cutting; Tax Increases are on the Table for them
. Considering Republicans are already working at Cutting these Welfare programs, he's just saying what his party is thinking (plus new taxes).
I wouldn't worry about the draft. Yet.
What's more likely is that the military caste will become pronounced, though not necessarily any better off. Especially if they can't win a war without conscription, because sounds like a situation that would have very, very serious problems.
edited 24th Jan '17 8:28:32 PM by Eschaton
It doesn't matter how much of the army supports Trump. They're going to be really leery about attacking American cities. Especially since the Armed Forces have their own intelligence, and they'll probaby have a good idea about what's actually happening. On top of that, if Trump threatens to send the army into Chicago, the Army is guaranteed to have some higher ups who are actually from Chicago and who know what the situation actually is. One of the hardest things to make an army do is to make it fire on its own nation without an extremely good reason.
What would probably happen is that the army would show up, make some noise and then leave, using it as a training exercise.
On that note, does anyone remember when the army had training exercises across a big chunk of the south and the insane right started screaming about how it was a pretext for an invasion? It's increasingly clear that the reason the Tea Party and the GOP constantly went on about rights and freedoms being taken away is because they assumed anyone in power would do so, because they wanted to do it themselves.
Same. One side of my family's Jewish. I've been sounding horns about Net Neutrality and how even a Republican can still benefit from it, and actually making headway in people saying, "I didn't know that. That actually does sound worth defending." Even though I think the whole thing's a lost cause now, I'm still going to keep sounding horns. Even before the Shoa (Jewish name for the Holocaust) my peoples' history has been full of other people rioting, attacking us, and basically being Trump's loyal base throughout the centuries. There were plenty of good times too, but . . . we've learned, when someone in power starts talking war and being strong, you take notice, you watch them like a hawk, and you make sure people have those thoughts in the backs of their minds so they at least know it CAN happen, no matter the odds against it.
The more right-wingers claim to hate something, the more often they tend to actually love it. From homosexuality, to drug use, to fascism. It's all the same impulse.
I was reading around a little bit and I feel like I can empathize with people who believe that Trump and his deregulation and protectionism will bring the jobs back, but I can't understand someone so clearly idiotic, incompetent, and narcissistic. Let alone the bigotry, but that's a whole different can of worms.
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You know the thing that strikes me as really stupid about the anti-Jewish thing? Some of the greatest scientists and thinkers in history have been Jewish. Yes, the Jews tended to run the banks throughout most of the Middle Ages and people got mad at them because they assumed they were being cheated, but the Jews made money because they knew what they were doing. Non-Jewish banks had a habit of collapsing at random because they were literally just a building to stick your money in, and there was no interest or fines or anything.
The reason so many of the super wealthy are Jewish is not because of cheating or theft, it's because those people were, and are, extremely smart.
It comes off like the crab bucket syndrome.
edited 24th Jan '17 8:36:51 PM by Zendervai
That's actually because Jews were barred from doing a lot of normal jobs in most Christian (and certain Muslim) states: Banking was one of the few things they could do. And because Jews are allowed to charge Interest on Non-Jews (where Christians and Muslims are prohibited by Scripture from doing so), they got rich from it. This also lead to so many commoners resenting them, and also gave Kings and Sultans a good Scapegoat whenever they had Problems.
It's also where the Stereotypes of Jews being Greedy comes from.
We're often blamed for the whole Jesus killing thing. Even though that paved the way for the Resurrection and the prophecies of return. But enough of that.
Onto a cheerier personal note, highlight of the night:
Talking to a former co-worker about Net Neutrality, I did my usual start of connecting everything to streaming services first. Once she was on-board there, we talked politics, and protests, protecting those sites. She said, "from what I've seen, they don't seem very peaceful to me."
To which I replied, "yeah . . . but when Trump does something that personally affects you, you're still going to want somewhere YOU can organize protests peacefully, right?" She agreed on that front and I still managed to turn the discussion the way it needed to go.
And I'm going to keep talking here about this stuff, and my efforts, too. Because A. If I do something wrong, someone here might be able to give me pointers on fixing it. And B. with so much pessimism going on, someone who WANTS to get involved and start getting others into the good fight might take some encouragement from me telling about my efforts. And that would be a win for me.

I look forward to him reinstating the draft so he can send me off to die for some godforsaken pointless manufactured conflict.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."