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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Cenk Uygur: The face of The Young Turks YouTube channel (they will try to pretend they never heard of their namesakes or the Armenian Genocide). Threw his weight and that of the channel behind Bernie during the Democrat primaries and has never shut up about the establishment ever since while giving fuck all about what alternatives exist that won't get butchered outside the "Anarcho-Socialism 101" demographic.
Calexit: Well, let's see if the Californian populace gets the entire "it's a bloody Russian influence op" that a good part of the country didn't.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotI'm not really a fan of any secession push based on the current state of national politics.
If there was a strong secessionist movement that spanned multiple shifts in national politics I might be willing to back it. But not this, not now.
There is a small exception here. If things get sufficiently dire, I might be willing to accept a soft Calexit. Where California stops recognizing the Trump administration as being legitimate but doesn't declare itself to be an independent nation. But even that is a nuclear option since it runs a dangerously high risk of provoking a civil war.
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Whoah. Shit. And we were just talking about him.
Uh...not to sound too insensitive, but what's the Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota like? Will the state be in good hands if Dayton dies, or has to step down due to his health?
edited 24th Jan '17 10:47:30 AM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."Not related to any topic in particular but just some thoughts related to the topic that have been on my mind enough to become legitimately distracting and I wanted to get off my chest. I'll folderize it if you don't want to slog through what is basically a bit of venting on my part.
I saw someone (maybe here? I forget) say that discussing politics with people has become more taboo than discussing religion. I'm inclined to agree. I actively avoid bringing the subject up around my family because my brother and sister in law seem so firmly in the OBAMA BAD! camp that it feels pointless. When I told my father I planned to vote for Clinton, he said I'd been drinking the Kool Aid. This particularly bothers me because it means that, on this particular subject, I can't take my own brother seriously when he's otherwise the man I respect more than anybody.
The sheer lack of independent thought implied here bothers me more than anything else. What especially disturbs me is that, as I watch Donald Trump treat all the accusations of corruption against Clinton like a job description and see Congress try to remove an ethics committee as literally one of their first acts of the New Year, I'm finding it harder and harder to avoid that mindset myself. More and more I'm finding myself automatically opposed to anything with Trump's name on it. While, granted, he makes that easy, it's pushing me more and more into a mindset I sincerely find wrong, accurate though it may be currently.
I pay attention to politics with threads like this primarily so to not be completely ignorant of what's going on. But more and more I feel more automatically than I like, however true, that Trump is incompetent, the GOP is untrustworthy, and no conceivable skeleton in Hillary Clinton's closet real or imagined, justifies Trump as the sane choice.
I'm not quite sure how to stop this from becoming worse for when things get better.
Meet the women of Southwest Michigan who didn't shrug off the Women's March
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Then ask yourself this whenever something comes up: Do you oppose it because it runs opposite of what you stand for, or do you oppose it because the GOP is behind it?
You can refuse to make knee jerk responses to what the Trump administration is doing and not normalize what they are doing.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotNo, I have knee-jerk hostility to anything affiliated to Trump or the GOP, and I make no apologies to that.
I also have knee-jerk hostility to things that have fangs, claws, and are bounding towards me making hostile noises. Some things are just sensible.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."The thing about bi-partisanship is that it sounds like a good idea on paper, but it rings hollow without a good argument about why the other side isn't objectively worse to back it up.
And that is, I think, what one needs to press for when arguing with the other side. Do they, for example, know about the GOP trying to outlaw protesting? If so, how do they defend it?
I also think it's an important enough topic that we can't afford to let it become taboo. Accusations of 'drinking the Kool Aid' need to be pushed through, so that common ground can be found, if it exists.
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Like Trump and the GOP? {BA-DISH!}
edited 24th Jan '17 11:07:50 AM by kkhohoho
Jesus, Spicer is back, and he's doubling down on everything he's said. They're sticking to the blatant lie of millions of illegal votes being cast in the election - and now they're adding on the equally bald-faced lie that 14% of the votes in the '08 election were illegal?
(And not a single reporter calls him on it.)
They are really hammering this "illegal voters" narrative. Which tells us that the coming crackdown on voting rights is going to be like nothing we've ever seen.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."I don't think that the media has ever dealt with a White House that cares so little for facts.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

BREAKING NEWS: Minnesota Governor announces he has Prostate Cancer
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